Why in hell should I use the Pz IV H over the pz IV G???

[m4djoker]

I'm still a newbie on this game so many aspects of a feature can still be out of range for my understanding maybe, not to mention the whole Br +1 -1 thing where sometimes since the Br differences, you can't nearly pen the enemy tanks. Anyway sorry the small rant, here's the question:


The Pz IV G seems just better in every thing compared to the Pz IV H for what I could see on the stats list, but the worst thing about Pz IV H is that it also has an higher Br level so really, what's going on there?

[Lord Castellan Majorian]

better speed, better gun, better armour

[Lord Castellan Majorian]

it should not be so high i think it should be 3.7 as well

[Illusionyary]

I use it because it looks cool, and the addon plates can save you sometimes.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Because you want to use something with Dicker Max that is 4.7.

[m4djoker]

Originally posted by Lord Castellan:

better speed, better gun, better armour

Originally posted by Lord Castellan:

it should not be so high i think it should be 3.7 as well

From the tanks stat list that I am looking right now, what you claim doesn't seem right...

Pz IV G speed: 44 kmh
Pz IV H speed: 43 kmh

Pz IV G turret rotation: 11.5°/s
Pz IV H turret rotation: 8.3°/s

Reloading time: Same

Damage: The ammo is the very same even if that small difference of cannons gives +1mm pen to all the Pz IV H shots.

Armor: On the stats its the very same, but if you look at it the Pz IV H has those 5mm thin plates somewhere for extra protection...


I think that +1mm pen and +5mm fake armor should not be enough to move that tank to Br 4.7, because when uprtiered there, you can face a Tiger E or worse...

[DapperSpino]

While I wouldn't recommend Germany for a Starter nation, the Panzer IVs after the F1 in the right hands are deadly effective.
As for the the question, I didn't really mind the higher BR when playing the Panzer IV H, it was like a heavier, more well protected Panzer IV G, which is a more protected Panzer IV F2.

[m4djoker]

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

Because you want to use something with Dicker Max that is 4.7.

But Pz IV G seems better! And as far as I know that Br difference should not cause any trouble

[Narf]

Or play RB and have it (and the Max, too) at 4.3.

Originally posted by m4djoker:

Pz IV G turret rotation: 11.5°/s
Pz IV H turret rotation: 8.3°/s

You're looking at upgraded vs. stock... Of course the values differ.
And 1 km/h difference is irrelevant and stem from the little bit of extra weight from the added armor.
You're also forgetting that the H model gets more add-on armor. The G get's nothing on the turret cheeks and less on the weakspot of the vertical part of the hull armor.

The extra armor on the H can sometimes throw the enemy off a bit, especially when they think your turret is wider than it actually is, and make them miss a shot.

[Chaotic Harmony]

There is no reason; it's slower and the skirts get stuck on obstacles and screw you. Plus the additional 1BR; keep using the G/

[m4djoker]

Originally posted by Narf:

Or play RB and have it (and the Max, too) at 4.3.

Originally posted by m4djoker:

Pz IV G turret rotation: 11.5°/s
Pz IV H turret rotation: 8.3°/s

You're looking at upgraded vs. stock... Of course the values differ.
And 1 km/h difference is irrelevant and stem from the little bit of extra weight from the added armor.
You're also forgetting that the H model gets more add-on armor. The G get's nothing on the turret cheeks and less on the weakspot of the vertical part of the hull armor.

The extra armor on the H can sometimes throw the enemy off a bit, especially when they think your turret is wider than it actually is, and make them miss a shot.

Yes I forgot to mention, but I still play mostly ab battles cus I think they faster for grinding and better for learning since generally the time you do one rb battle, you did four or five ab battles.

About the speed, then we could say that they the same but that still doesn't make things look better for the Pz IV H.The turret thing instead idk, didn't thought it could give that kind of advantage

[Katokevin]

The biggest upside for me is A: mix with the Dicker Max and Ostwind and B: the add on armor. The add on armor is actually quite good. It covers the entire front hull and turret in track links. Most people don't think its much, but mixed with the 80mm hull and 50mm turret, this has actually saved me from US 75mm and Soviet 76mm MANY times. That single save can be the difference between a stupid death and bouncing their shot and shoving a 75mm PzGr.39 into them and wiping a crew clean.

Many people think I'm weird, but it's actually my most prefered and my second favourite mid tier tank to take out (and favourite Panzer IV model). Plus, it just looks like how a Panzer IV should to me.

[Illusionyary]

Originally posted by Katokevin:

The biggest upside for me is A: mix with the Dicker Max and Ostwind and B: the add on armor. The add on armor is actually quite good. It covers the entire front hull and turret in track links. Most people don't think its much, but mixed with the 80mm hull and 50mm turret, this has actually saved me from US 75mm and Soviet 76mm MANY times. That single save can be the difference between a stupid death and bouncing their shot and shoving a 75mm PzGr.39 into them and wiping a crew clean.

Many people think I'm weird, but it's actually my most prefered and my second favourite mid tier tank to take out (and favourite Panzer IV model). Plus, it just looks like how a Panzer IV should to me.

Same here, I really like the Ausf J for that aesthetic side of things too. The Panzer IVs all work fine up to 5.7 anyway, with Jumbos really being the biggest issue.

[juses ♥♥♥♥♥ crust]

You dont have to use the H, you can just research the H, not purchase it and still use it along with the tigers or even replace the G with the panther.

[Narf]

Originally posted by Tayef:

You dont have to use the H, you can just research the H, not purchase it and still use it along with the tigers or even replace the G with the panther.

You can't use any Panther if you don't purchase the H which is sitting before them in the research tree.

[juses ♥♥♥♥♥ crust]

Originally posted by Narf:

Originally posted by Tayef:

You dont have to use the H, you can just research the H, not purchase it and still use it along with the tigers or even replace the G with the panther.

You can't use any Panther if you don't purchase the H which is sitting before them in the research tree.

You can use the panther if you dont purchase the H