Brokenwind and Ostwind should be SERIOUSLY nerfed

[AlexTypeR 狼]

I'm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tired of being oneshotted from those two mofos in the middle of a good game, there's no way, no documentation and no proof that a 20mm gun like the Wirlble and Ostwind can pen so easily a Sherman or a T-34 from any distance and with any angulation.

Gaijin should stop lazying around always listening to the crybabies that blames for """Russian Bias""" in the forums and start doing REAL researches of the vehicles...

[glyphic]

Having an AA be able to mess up tanks is fine, but they're way too effective against tanks higher than their BR.

[AlexTypeR 狼]

Originally posted by glyphic:

Having an AA be able to mess up tanks is fine, but they're way too effective against tanks higher than their BR.

Maybe they could break the tracks, maximum the barrel, or at least they can be used for providing cover fire and destroy very light vehicles that's ok, but you can't make them knockout a medium tank come on...

[Lucas]

Originally posted by Ale LGB:

I'm ♥♥♥♥ing tired of being oneshotted from those two mofos in the middle of a good game, there's no way, no documentation and no proof that a 20mm gun like the Wirlble and Ostwind can pen so easily a Sherman or a T-34 from any distance and with any angulation.

Gaijin should stop lazying around always listening to the crybabies that blames for """Russian Bias""" in the forums and start doing REAL researches of the vehicles...

You are also welcome to find material on these vehicles and submit it to the forums.

[DapperSpino]

Oh no I suck and got killed by some really popular SPAA... instead of seeing why I suck at the game I shall now shout about how they should be nerfed to death.

[glyphic]

Originally posted by Ale LGB:

Originally posted by glyphic:

Having an AA be able to mess up tanks is fine, but they're way too effective against tanks higher than their BR.

Maybe they could break the tracks, maximum the barrel, or at least they can be used for providing cover fire and destroy very light vehicles that's ok, but you can't make them knockout a medium tank come on...

It depends on the tank really. Maybe I've had a worse experience since I only play the UK and generally they're not very tough. I know historically the Germans used their AA as anti-tank so it's nice to have it in from an historical viewpoint. I don't really mind if they're nerfed or not. But I think they're probably punching a bit above their weight level currently.

[AlexTypeR 狼]

Originally posted by DapperSpino:

Oh no I suck and got killed by some really popular SPAA... instead of seeing why I suck at the game I shall now shout about how they should be nerfed to death.

Make more than 10 kills on a Sherman or any tank which is not german and then you have the right to say that I suck at playing.

[Weert Gilders]

luckily you cant easily pen a t34 or a sherman from any range...

[AlexTypeR 狼]

Originally posted by ♥♥DucksGoQuack♥♥:

luckily you cant easily pen a t34 or a sherman from any range...

Say that again.

[Weert Gilders]

luckily you cant easily pen a t34 or a sherman from any range...

[Smetrix]

I was getting shot at by an Ostwind in my M36, and I lost my commander. But that was it, so it might be a you problem.

[PyroPaul]

http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/use20mm/

Intelligence Bulletin, Febuary 1943 - warning commanders of the potential risks of engaging 20mm Anti-Aircraft Batteries. It specifically points out that the battery can cause problems for even Heavy Armor.

Furthermore - 2 cm KwK 38 L/55 was commonly equipped to vehicles like the Schwerer Panzerspähwagen (Puma) which used it's speed and the weapons high rate of fire to gain flanking shots on tank's weaker armor through out the war.


The 37mm Flak18 cannons, like that mounted on the Ostwind, where used as Anti-Tank through out the war - and the JU 87G mounted 2 of these cannons in underwing gunpods which was used extensively as close air anti-tank in eastern front.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccOXrfBZoLE

Same gun that is mounted on the Ostwind... destroying Soviet T-34 tanks...

[Blamite Delight]

ostwind is 37mm. While whirlwind is quad 20mm
Depends on the ammo type being used, if its solid shot then yes its going to do some damage.

[PyroPaul]

And then there is the point that the quad 20mm doesn't really frontally pen most tanks except at very close range, and is only a threat at range if it gets flanking shots...

Not to mention that it is almost impossible to 1 shot people in the thing... you usually plaster them with a good 100 plus rounds before you kill pretty much any tank out there...

[PyroPaul]

Originally posted by Smetrix:

I was getting shot at by an Ostwind in my M36, and I lost my commander. But that was it, so it might be a you problem.

Probably had the anti air HE round loaded for planes thinking you'd crumple because the tank is an open top TD.

Surprisingly, The m36 actually has some tough skin on it... more so then people give it credit for. So shrugging off shots in one isn't too out of character for the tank, even if it was AP shot... just not something you expect.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Ostwind and Wirbel being able to kill T-34 from any distance or angle is complete bs. You need to be close in brawling range and preferably shooting the side, same with Shermans.
Yes you can kill those tanks but it's nowhere as bad as OP makes it sound like.
Plus if you run into something like KV-1 then you are dead, plain and simple.