Tank RB 5.7 vs 6.0 Germans

[Bootleg Greedo]

So I have a 5.7 lineup right now consisting of the 2 Tiger Is and the Panther D. I'm about to finish on the the Panther A in a few games here, and I'm wondering if it's enough of a problem to just throw my new Panthers in and start replacing the 5.7 tanks, or if I should wait to add in the 6.0 Panthers until I have enough for a full lineup of them (ie, not uptier my Tigers by .3). Personally I'm thinking that since I get uptiered so much at 5.7 to usually around 6.3 or 6.7, it won't really matter, but is the possibility of facing 7.0 enough of a reason to not try and run the tigers at 6.0? Would be interested to hear peoples' thoughts and experiences with this.

[A Toaster]

id say put a seperate linup for 6.0 tanks and leave 5.7 at its own lineup
you do not wabt to fight 7.0 tanks in a tiger 1

[Chaotic Harmony]

Originally posted by Bootleg Greedo:

So I have a 5.7 lineup right now consisting of the 2 Tiger Is and the Panther D. I'm about to finish on the the Panther A in a few games here, and I'm wondering if it's enough of a problem to just throw my new Panthers in and start replacing the 5.7 tanks, or if I should wait to add in the 6.0 Panthers until I have enough for a full lineup of them (ie, not uptier my Tigers by .3). Personally I'm thinking that since I get uptiered so much at 5.7 to usually around 6.3 or 6.7, it won't really matter, but is the possibility of facing 7.0 enough of a reason to not try and run the tigers at 6.0? Would be interested to hear peoples' thoughts and experiences with this.

Use the Tiger I's to grab the Tiger II (P) and Jadpanther; then you can have a nice 6.3 lineup that will (Somewhat) circumvent the 6.7-7.7 black hole that formed lately. 5.7 has become fairly nice as of late though; not perfect but with most 6.7's getting kicked up to the shredder you will get more games at or slightly above your BR at 5.7 than 6.3/6.7.

[EDSmike74]

NIGHT EVENING, I play realistic battle with my poor tank USA T34 br 6.7 against German tank leopard 7.7, no need to explain why I lose every time.

This is how we recognize the seriousness and professionalism of gaijin for these games.
Make a game completely unequal.

This is surely why the players left the game.

[Chaotic Harmony]

Originally posted by EDSmike74:

NIGHT EVENING, I play realistic battle with my poor tank USA T34 br 6.7 against German tank leopard 7.7, no need to explain why I lose every time.

This is how we recognize the seriousness and professionalism of gaijin for these games.
Make a game completely unequal.

I really want whatever they were smoking when they thought leo1 at 7.7 was fair and balanced for RB

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Best to keep it in different lines.
Tiger H1, Tiger E, Panther D
Panther A, Panther G, Panther F

[Nike-Ajax]

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

Best to keep it in different lines.
Tiger H1, Tiger E, Panther D
Panther A, Panther G, Panther F

Please expand on your answer ?

[Obamenau]

Originally posted by Chaotic Harmony:

Originally posted by EDSmike74:

NIGHT EVENING, I play realistic battle with my poor tank USA T34 br 6.7 against German tank leopard 7.7, no need to explain why I lose every time.

This is how we recognize the seriousness and professionalism of gaijin for these games.
Make a game completely unequal.

I really want whatever they were smoking when they thought leo1 at 7.7 was fair and balanced for RB

It still has some pretty terrible stats though

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Originally posted by Nike-Ajax:

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

Best to keep it in different lines.
Tiger H1, Tiger E, Panther D
Panther A, Panther G, Panther F

Please expand on your answer ?

Using Tiger H1 and E with other Panthers then D is bad, it will put them in range of quite popular 7.0 tanks and gets you uptiered even more into stuff that first Tigers dont have much chance against. It will also move Tigers away from the reach of very popular US 4.7 bracket that helps to downtier them.
6.0 line of three Panthers can mostly hold their own because they have improved turret speed and reverse gear compared to D. Also 6.0 line doesnt meet the IS-6 anymore that used to just wipe out all Panthers.

[Bootleg Greedo]

Alright thanks for all the feedback guys, this basically affirms some of my fears, mainly that I would get my 5.7 tanks uptiered to 7.0 fairly often and get my clock cleaned by those tanks. Fighting at 6.7 with them isn't the worst, but I certainly felt like anything more advanced would be awful. The suggestion about making a 6.3 lineup is one I had been looking at, however personally I want to play with the Panthers more than the Tiger IIs, as it's one of my favorite world war 2 tanks, so I'm going to be holding off on that for now I think.

[Lain]

Originally posted by Bootleg Greedo:

Alright thanks for all the feedback guys, this basically affirms some of my fears, mainly that I would get my 5.7 tanks uptiered to 7.0 fairly often and get my clock cleaned by those tanks. Fighting at 6.7 with them isn't the worst, but I certainly felt like anything more advanced would be awful. The suggestion about making a 6.3 lineup is one I had been looking at, however personally I want to play with the Panthers more than the Tiger IIs, as it's one of my favorite world war 2 tanks, so I'm going to be holding off on that for now I think.

You will never get uptiered 1.3 BR unless you play air arcade. It's always 6.7. Unfortunately at 6.7 is the T29s, Tiger IIs, and T-44s, stuff like that. Let me tell you this as someone who survived German 5.7. The Tiger II is a very good upgrade. This time you have a kick ass cannon, good reload, good armor (if you don't get uptiered), and fair mobility. For the Porsche version, don't let them hit your turret. The only frontal weakspot on the Tiger II is the turret side cheeks. On the H version they are improved, but are flat and fairly vulnerable. So yeah, try and get the Tiger II as soon as you can.

I want to warn you though about the uptiers in 6.3 / 6.7. Here you will have the post war experience fighting T-44-100s, IS-6s, M46s (HEAT-FS, they can pen you front armor anywhere), Vickers MBT, and lots of other post war tanks with shells that can nullify your armor. You'll have to be careful here.

However, on a downtier....have fun, because almost nothing will be able to pen you unless they know your weakspots, and you can easily 1 shot anything you face.

[Bootleg Greedo]

Originally posted by Rootin Tootin Putin:

Originally posted by Bootleg Greedo:

Alright thanks for all the feedback guys, this basically affirms some of my fears, mainly that I would get my 5.7 tanks uptiered to 7.0 fairly often and get my clock cleaned by those tanks. Fighting at 6.7 with them isn't the worst, but I certainly felt like anything more advanced would be awful. The suggestion about making a 6.3 lineup is one I had been looking at, however personally I want to play with the Panthers more than the Tiger IIs, as it's one of my favorite world war 2 tanks, so I'm going to be holding off on that for now I think.

You will never get uptiered 1.3 BR unless you play air arcade. It's always 6.7. Unfortunately at 6.7 is the T29s, Tiger IIs, and T-44s, stuff like that. Let me tell you this as someone who survived German 5.7. The Tiger II is a very good upgrade. This time you have a kick ass cannon, good reload, good armor (if you don't get uptiered), and fair mobility. For the Porsche version, don't let them hit your turret. The only frontal weakspot on the Tiger II is the turret side cheeks. On the H version they are improved, but are flat and fairly vulnerable. So yeah, try and get the Tiger II as soon as you can.

I want to warn you though about the uptiers in 6.3 / 6.7. Here you will have the post war experience fighting T-44-100s, IS-6s, M46s (HEAT-FS, they can pen you front armor anywhere), Vickers MBT, and lots of other post war tanks with shells that can nullify your armor. You'll have to be careful here.

However, on a downtier....have fun, because almost nothing will be able to pen you unless they know your weakspots, and you can easily 1 shot anything you face.

sorry just to clarify, they would be uptiered by 1.3 if I put 6.0 Panthers in the lineup with them, which was what I was originally wondering if it was worth doing, or if it would be unfair for my 5.7 tanks. And yeah the Tiger IIs are definitely awesome, it's just more of a flavor thing for me in terms of wanting to use Panthers first. Appreciate all the advice on them though, will definitely keep that in mind down the line when I do start using them!

[Chaotic Harmony]

Originally posted by Rootin Tootin Putin:

Originally posted by Bootleg Greedo:

Alright thanks for all the feedback guys, this basically affirms some of my fears, mainly that I would get my 5.7 tanks uptiered to 7.0 fairly often and get my clock cleaned by those tanks. Fighting at 6.7 with them isn't the worst, but I certainly felt like anything more advanced would be awful. The suggestion about making a 6.3 lineup is one I had been looking at, however personally I want to play with the Panthers more than the Tiger IIs, as it's one of my favorite world war 2 tanks, so I'm going to be holding off on that for now I think.

he was wanting to put 6.0's in a 5.7 lineup

Also to OP; the panthers (after the D) are great to fall back on when you get killed in one of the big cats.

[Lain]

Originally posted by Bootleg Greedo:

Originally posted by Rootin Tootin Putin:

You will never get uptiered 1.3 BR unless you play air arcade. It's always 6.7. Unfortunately at 6.7 is the T29s, Tiger IIs, and T-44s, stuff like that. Let me tell you this as someone who survived German 5.7. The Tiger II is a very good upgrade. This time you have a kick ass cannon, good reload, good armor (if you don't get uptiered), and fair mobility. For the Porsche version, don't let them hit your turret. The only frontal weakspot on the Tiger II is the turret side cheeks. On the H version they are improved, but are flat and fairly vulnerable. So yeah, try and get the Tiger II as soon as you can.

I want to warn you though about the uptiers in 6.3 / 6.7. Here you will have the post war experience fighting T-44-100s, IS-6s, M46s (HEAT-FS, they can pen you front armor anywhere), Vickers MBT, and lots of other post war tanks with shells that can nullify your armor. You'll have to be careful here.

However, on a downtier....have fun, because almost nothing will be able to pen you unless they know your weakspots, and you can easily 1 shot anything you face.

sorry just to clarify, they would be uptiered by 1.3 if I put 6.0 Panthers in the lineup with them, which was what I was originally wondering if it was worth doing, or if it would be unfair for my 5.7 tanks. And yeah the Tiger IIs are definitely awesome, it's just more of a flavor thing for me in terms of wanting to use Panthers first. Appreciate all the advice on them though, will definitely keep that in mind down the line when I do start using them!

No no. If you play air arcade battles only, not tanks, you can get uptiered 1.3. You can put any Panther with the Tiger 2 but the Panther II to avoid fighting stuff over your level. Make sure you have tanks of the same BR, or close to it. So if you have a Tiger II P, at 6.3, make sure your other tanks aren't 6.7 or above.

Good luck getting to the Tiger II, I definitely think you'll like it!

[Hans Klok]

Originally posted by Chaotic Harmony:

Originally posted by EDSmike74:

NIGHT EVENING, I play realistic battle with my poor tank USA T34 br 6.7 against German tank leopard 7.7, no need to explain why I lose every time.

This is how we recognize the seriousness and professionalism of gaijin for these games.
Make a game completely unequal.

I really want whatever they were smoking when they thought leo1 at 7.7 was fair and balanced for RB

Fits 7.7 perfectly fine. Glass cannon, lacking a stabilizer and APFSDS to compete with top tier MBTs.

[Obamenau]

Originally posted by Stalin The Tank Engine:

Originally posted by Chaotic Harmony:

I really want whatever they were smoking when they thought leo1 at 7.7 was fair and balanced for RB

Fits 7.7 perfectly fine. Glass cannon, lacking a stabilizer and APFSDS to compete with top tier MBTs.

Agree it's not even that good. Look at its stats.

And without HEATFS it actually has trouble dealing with IS-6, which is kinda sad.