why are 30 mils so underpowered?

[ultraviolence]

I'm not joking or being hypocritical when asking this. It seems I do better when 20 millimeters even though they're smaller and less powerful. Anyone with common sense would think the larger gun is better, but its not.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Because gun and ammo performance has nothing really to do with what it was in real life and is what Gaijin wants it to be at that moment, there are more stealth nerfs and boosts going around then you can count.

[ultraviolence]

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

Because gun and ammo performance has nothing really to do with what it was in real life and is what Gaijin wants it to be at that moment, there are more stealth nerfs and boosts going around then you can count.

The bullets are too heavy and as soon as you shoot it it runs out of ammo. On the german jets they're pretty good but on the bf109s they're trash.

[Waryth]

Can you specify which 30 mils are you talking about?

The 30mm of the Japanese offensive armaments are better than their 20mm counterpart.

[ultraviolence]

Originally posted by Waryth:

Can you specify which 30 mils are you talking about?

The 30mm of the Japanese offensive armaments are better than their 20mm counterpart.

mk108

[Scheneighnay]

Diameter only means the maximum damage of the HE in it, or the pen of HEAT.

By itself, diameter doesn't tell you much about a gun.

[ultraviolence]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Diameter only means the maximum damage of the HE in it, or the pen of HEAT.

By itself, diameter doesn't tell you much about a gun.

So the 20mm is better? It moves way faster than the 30mm and the damage seems about the same. Given that the 20mm is availible earlier, theres no real reason to use the 30mm at all.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by rick and morty isn't even good:

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Diameter only means the maximum damage of the HE in it, or the pen of HEAT.

By itself, diameter doesn't tell you much about a gun.

So the 20mm is better? It moves way faster than the 30mm and the damage seems about the same. Given that the 20mm is availible earlier, theres no real reason to use the 30mm at all.

Depends on the 20mm and the 30mm

[ultraviolence]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Originally posted by rick and morty isn't even good:

So the 20mm is better? It moves way faster than the 30mm and the damage seems about the same. Given that the 20mm is availible earlier, theres no real reason to use the 30mm at all.

Depends on the 20mm and the 30mm

the mk108 is garbage though

[PMA]

Originally posted by rick and morty isn't even good:

I'm not joking or being hypocritical when asking this. It seems I do better when 20 millimeters even though they're smaller and less powerful. Anyone with common sense would think the larger gun is better, but its not.

You are basing all this off of hunches.
I see no facts here.

[ultraviolence]

Originally posted by RAIDONKU:

Originally posted by rick and morty isn't even good:

I'm not joking or being hypocritical when asking this. It seems I do better when 20 millimeters even though they're smaller and less powerful. Anyone with common sense would think the larger gun is better, but its not.

You are basing all this off of hunches.
I see no facts here.

It moves slower.

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by rick and morty isn't even good:

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Diameter only means the maximum damage of the HE in it, or the pen of HEAT.

By itself, diameter doesn't tell you much about a gun.

So the 20mm is better? It moves way faster than the 30mm and the damage seems about the same. Given that the 20mm is availible earlier, theres no real reason to use the 30mm at all.

Depends on which 20mm it is. A 20mm Hispano has a high velocity and works better for ripping parts off while an MG 151 (along with most German auto-cannons) tend to go more for HE filler to blow parts off. Realistically, 2-3 30mm HE rounds from an MK 108 would blow large holes and rip parts off, but WT is, well, not that realistic. I find it often takes a decent burst (with 2-4 MK 108's mounted) to bring something down. The very low velocity does not help that.

I'm quite bad with the MK 108's (bad aim and they seem to spark quite a low, leading me to call them "sparklers"), but I generally have little issue with a 20mm MG 151 (but find the high velocity MK 103's to be very affective thanks to the high velocity).

[ultraviolence]

Originally posted by Katokevin:

Originally posted by rick and morty isn't even good:

So the 20mm is better? It moves way faster than the 30mm and the damage seems about the same. Given that the 20mm is availible earlier, theres no real reason to use the 30mm at all.

Depends on which 20mm it is. A 20mm Hispano has a high velocity and works better for ripping parts off while an MG 151 (along with most German auto-cannons) tend to go more for HE filler to blow parts off. Realistically, 2-3 30mm HE rounds from an MK 108 would blow large holes and rip parts off, but WT is, well, not that realistic. I find it often takes a decent burst (with 2-4 MK 108's mounted) to bring something down. The very low velocity does not help that.

I'm quite bad with the MK 108's (bad aim and they seem to spark quite a low, leading me to call them "sparklers"), but I generally have little issue with a 20mm MG 151 (but find the high velocity MK 103's to be very affective thanks to the high velocity).

So here's my strategy, and I think you'll agree. If you're using a plane that has the mk108 on it, most notably the 109s, research the modifications and as soon as possible you replace it with the 20 millimeter.

[Maus]

MK 108 30mms aren't all that great. If you are having trouble with them, its because they are low velocity rounds. MK 103 30mms like on the Ho 229 and the Do 335's are the high velocity ones.

Low velocity rounds you have to close the distance with for accurate and effective hits.Might be a little difficult to do in Me 262s or the K4 considering everything else they fight.

I suggest practice aiming a little more or try flying different aircraft.

[ultraviolence]

Originally posted by Maus:

MK 108 30mms aren't all that great. If you are having trouble with them, its because they are low velocity rounds. MK 103 30mms like on the Ho 229 and the Do 335's are the high velocity ones.

Low velocity rounds you have to close the distance with for accurate and effective hits.Might be a little difficult to do in Me 262s or the K4 considering everything else they fight.

I suggest practice aiming a little more or try flying different aircraft.

I went into a custom game with bots and surprisingly the mk108s on the german jets i have like the 262, the horten and the komet all work fine. The problem arises when you try to use the mk108 on the bf109s since there's only 1 of them and as soon as you shoot it runs out of ammo.

[Geno Killer]

For me it seems to be the opposite problem, I rarely score kills using the 20mm cannons and usually end up hitting them with the 30mm mk 108 instead.

However for you the reason is almost certainly because you're not actually hitting them with the 30mm due it's very low velocity, since unless you're directly behind the enemy in order to effectively use the 20mm you'll have to miss with the 30mm, and vice versa.

If you really want to hit with the 30mm then load up the air targets belt for it and stealth belts for every other gun, then take it out into a custom battle against bots.