The ST-A1 and ST-A2 are terrible.

[Squidwave]

A warning for those going up the Japanese line. Once these are unlocked just don't even crew them if possible. They would make poor 5.7's let alone 6.7 and 7.0. The Type 61 isn't much better even when they fix its reverse speed. The gems in the line are Chi-Nu and Chi-To, then ST-B1 and Type 74.

[Coelian]

Great job charging at a T29 hoping your stock shell will pen its front.

Seriously man, use its optics to snipe from the flanks of the map, send APCBC into the enemy's sides. Has more than enough pen to 1 shot most tanks with a side shot.

Or i have a better idea;

DONT PLAY JAPANESE TANKS AT ALL.

[↯Zindy⛦]

everything from the STA1 to the STB are japanese patton tanks, so they preform identical to US patton tanks, have fun!

[Squidwave]

Except for the fact that they all perform worse than even the american's BR equal. I'm not expecting the gun to perform miracles but when it's coupled with an underperforming chassis there is really no point in going out with it. The Type 60 blows all of them away. The only issue it has is its ammo. Throwing assumptions around isn't an argument.

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by (東方) Zindai:

everything from the STA1 to the STB are japanese patton tanks, so they preform identical to US patton tanks, have fun!

Except the depressing armor. I can work with the 90mm (though the length of the ST-A1 is a bit of an issue), but the gun, ammo choices, and armor just don't feel right for the BR, especially the big difference in BR between the ST-A1 and A2. I don't feel that slight change in design with near indentical armor and the same gun are enough reason for the BR increase.

But what has to be kept in mind is that most Japanese tanks are still in CBT and may change when the tree (or those tanks) is fully released.

[Coelian]

Originally posted by Squidwave:

Except for the fact that they all perform worse than even the american's BR equal. I'm not expecting the gun to perform miracles but when it's coupled with an underperforming chassis there is really no point in going out with it. The Type 60 blows all of them away. The only issue it has is its ammo. Throwing assumptions around isn't an argument.

L2P then.

[Solaire of Astora]

Originally posted by Pistol Star™:

Great job charging at a T29 hoping your stock shell will pen its front.

Seriously man, use its optics to snipe from the flanks of the map, send APCBC into the enemy's sides. Has more than enough pen to 1 shot most tanks with a side shot.

Or i have a better idea;

DONT PLAY JAPANESE TANKS AT ALL.

>Telling people to flank using these tanks.
>Fails to mention that 9 out of 10 maps are now AB maps in RB so nearly impossible to do so.

If you are going to suggest something then atleast suggest something more realistic to how the majority of maps work now. If this was 2 and a half years ago I would agree with you but when I can drive 10 seconds into the enemies spawn then obviously you can't flank without getting one shotted.

[CoreB]

People are winging that they are bad but I fail to see what they expected because for Japan the navy and air force were a priority because it was a nation of islands so tanks sort of went to the bottom of the pile. Just don't waste your time

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by CoreB:

People are winging that they are bad but I fail to see what they expected because for Japan the navy and air force were a priority because it was a nation of islands so tanks sort of went to the bottom of the pile. Just don't waste your time

Late Tier IV is the issue. With such high BR's compared to the gun, mobility, and armor, just don't work well together. Take the ST-A1 for example. You get the same 90mm on the M46 with the same ammo, but have 75mm of hull armor at 52 degrees (about 115mm effective armor) and a depressing 50mm turret mantlet and 40mm turret itself. Then 25mm of side and 15mm on top (very dangerous when it comes to large HE).

Compare that to an equal BR US tank, the M46: 101.6mm of hull armor at 45 degrees equal to about 137mm, a 114mm thick mantlet, 101mm cheeks, and 76.2mm turret. Also 76.2mm (50.8mm to the rear) of side armor and 22.2mm on top of the hull.

Personally, I just think the ST-A1 would fit more around 6.3, and ST-A2 around 6.7. MAYBE 7.0 for the Type 61, but I think it will be fine at 7.3. But it is the STB-1 and Type 74 that people want bad (as do I) as they can be worth it. Mobility just a bit lower then the Leo, the L7A3's with the same ammo as the M60 (STB-1 APDS) and M60A1 (improved APDS), some decent armor, and the hydropneumatic suspension to alter your profile, hide you where you normaly could not, get more gun depression, and help angle armor.

[JuicyCookie]

Sad to see not many people know how to use the ST-A1/2 correctly. This tank is not a head to head tank due to lack of armor. Instead, why not support the team from the back or sides. It has a low profile meaning you can hide almost anywhere and behind small bushes/tank corps/small brick fences and so on. You must treat it as a ninja, not a full grown muscle man.

If ya do encounter an armored tank then just use Shells with higher penetration to disable the turret/cannon then tracks. Then sneak around and aim for the kill or take cover (depending what map your in/situation)
This tank is a great flanker regardless what anyone says really. some will deny it, but the reality is that this tank is one of the best flankers. Anyways, Just use the tank the way it was supposed to be used and you will be fine, never head on with it...

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[Katokevin]

Originally posted by Mirage:

It's a shame as I was hoping for the ♥♥♥♥ to compliment the German tanks or atleast be usefull allies to them and add variation in the lineup. Allies have it too easy currently.

It's a shame that people necro threads from January.

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by Katokevin:

It's a shame that people necro threads from January.

And i didn't do that so don't tell that to me.

Not saying you did (I saw that Kuko posted before you). Just remember to check the date posted first.

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by Katokevin:

Not saying you did (I saw that Kuko posted before you). Just remember to check the date posted first.

I just look at whatever I see on the front page, and I honestly don't really see the issue with old topics aslong as they hold relevant information, and considering the Japanese tree still is crap and nothing has changed, I'd say it does.

Steam forums already are horrible when it comes to trying to search for something, and endlessly making new topics that cover the same information over and over, but because all that information was in an older topic, we recreate it instead of keeping the information in one place, it becomes harder to find and people are probably going to create even more topics as they can't find the stuff they want anymore etc.

Atleast that's my opniion.

I hear what you are saying, and I can agree as well. I still have yet to go back and even try to get the ST-A2, Type 60, M41A1, Type 61, and M42 since I just can't handle the ST-A1. I don't know if I will ever go back.

And I get your point here as well. It is nice to keep the info there, but rules are still rules that we can't change. Though I have never seen a rule about it and the mods seem to decide on a personal opinion on how old it has to be to count as a necro. Can I just get some clarification to if there is some actuall rule that I have missed, or is it just your decision? Just curious.

[Kingfish]

Originally posted by Solaire of Astora:

Originally posted by Pistol Star™:

Great job charging at a T29 hoping your stock shell will pen its front.

Seriously man, use its optics to snipe from the flanks of the map, send APCBC into the enemy's sides. Has more than enough pen to 1 shot most tanks with a side shot.

Or i have a better idea;

DONT PLAY JAPANESE TANKS AT ALL.

>Telling people to flank using these tanks.
>Fails to mention that 9 out of 10 maps are now AB maps in RB so nearly impossible to do so.

If you are going to suggest something then atleast suggest something more realistic to how the majority of maps work now. If this was 2 and a half years ago I would agree with you but when I can drive 10 seconds into the enemies spawn then obviously you can't flank without getting one shotted.

You do realize you can flank enemies while not actually going around the edges of the map, right?

[Solaire of Astora]

Originally posted by Thazair:

Originally posted by Solaire of Astora:

>Telling people to flank using these tanks.
>Fails to mention that 9 out of 10 maps are now AB maps in RB so nearly impossible to do so.

If you are going to suggest something then atleast suggest something more realistic to how the majority of maps work now. If this was 2 and a half years ago I would agree with you but when I can drive 10 seconds into the enemies spawn then obviously you can't flank without getting one shotted.

You do realize you can flank enemies while not actually going around the edges of the map, right?

>Assumes I am talking about driving on the edge of the map to flank

Yea, let me get back to you with my slow turning, paper thin and terrible american 90mm gun ST series tanks.

[Kingfish]

Originally posted by Solaire of Astora:

Originally posted by Thazair:

You do realize you can flank enemies while not actually going around the edges of the map, right?

>Assumes I am talking about driving on the edge of the map to flank

Yea, let me get back to you with my slow turning, paper thin and terrible american 90mm gun ST series tanks.

Yeah, keep talking to me about US tanks.
I hope you realize, I have barely played anything aside from US. My current lineup is the T29, T95, M26E1, M46, M19 and P-47N-15.

Also, the 90mm gun is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ amazing. I have no idea what you are going on about.

Honestly, if you are having a problem with the 90mm cannon, I think it is a L2P issue. The M82 shells is one of the most powerful shells in the game.