Unlocking the next rank

[Keithson62]

I was looking at the reseach trees in the game and I found out that you have to order at least 6 vehicles of a rank to get to the next rank. That's really dumb, if you just want to grind 1 or 2 branches of planes or tanks in a nation then it's impossible to get to the next rank. I don't want to get every single vehicle in the game, it would take a lot of time and silver lions. For the Americans, Germans and Soviets, it's not really a problem if you want to go down 2 or 3 branches of tanks, as they have a lot of tanks per rank, but the British and Japanese don't have a lot of tanks per rank so you got to go down every tank branch to get to rank 5, which I don't want to do. I've recently started playing War Thunder. I'm wondering if it's been like that for a while.

[Dr.Pepsi Man]

Originally posted by Keithson62:

I was looking at the reseach trees in the game and I found out that you have to order at least 6 vehicles of a rank to get to the next rank. That's really dumb, if you just want to grind 1 or 2 branches of planes or tanks in a nation then it's impossible to get to the next rank. I don't want to get every single vehicle in the game, it would take a lot of time and silver lions. For the Americans, Germans and Soviets, it's not really a problem if you want to go down 2 or 3 branches of tanks, as they have a lot tanks per rank, but the British and Japanese don't have a lot of tanks per rank so you got to go down every tank branch to get to rank 5, which I don't want to do. I've recently started playing War Thunder. I'm wondering if it's been like that for a while.

I guess it's to prevent people doing just that and coming to matches unprepared.
As much as I'd like to get to the top too with little effort put in, I don't want my team to lose because half the people are trying to quickly get the top and have only 1 good vehicle while the rest are too low of a br.

Albeit the japanse GF have this issue, it's not that bad.

[ReaperV]

As somebody who at one point had every single tank in the game in WoT, and about half the tanks in this game in CBT, I will tell you that the fun gameplay is not at Tier 5. I have enough premium tanks that I could just grind past most other tanks (and I did to a small degree with the early Brit tanks), but I actually enjoy unlocking things at every tier for every tank. The fun is experiencing the introduction of upgraded equipment from Tier to Tier, and even sometimes backing-down a few Tiers to play with the early tanks where the game is not playing wack-a-mole 90% of the time at 1km+ with camping snipers. Sometimes it's a matter of just unlocking a certain tank you may really enjoy and gets certain matching that really should be fun in itself. You don't really "beat the game" by getting to Tier 5 anyway. Tier 3 may be the sweet spot for this game, much like Tier 5-7 were for WoT.

[Keithson62]

Originally posted by ReaperV:

As somebody who at one point had every single tank in the game in WoT, and about half the tanks in this game in CBT, I will tell you that the fun gameplay is not at Tier 5. I have enough premium tanks that I could just grind past most other tanks (and I did to a small degree with the early Brit tanks), but I actually enjoy unlocking things at every tier for every tank. The fun is experiencing the introduction of upgraded equipment from Tier to Tier, and even sometimes backing-down a few Tiers to play with the early tanks where the game is not playing wack-a-mole 90% of the time at 1km+ with camping snipers. Sometimes it's a matter of just unlocking a certain tank you may really enjoy and gets certain matching that really should be fun in itself. You don't really "beat the game" by getting to Tier 5 anyway. Tier 3 may be the sweet spot for this game, much like Tier 5-7 were for WoT.

Yes that's true, I think that it comes down to what vehicles you enjoy playing. I'm looking forward to most of the rank 2, 3, and 4 vehicles I'm planning to get, especially the ones that were well-known. Though getting to rank 5 would be an achievement.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by ReaperV:

As somebody who at one point had every single tank in the game in WoT, and about half the tanks in this game in CBT, I will tell you that the fun gameplay is not at Tier 5. I have enough premium tanks that I could just grind past most other tanks (and I did to a small degree with the early Brit tanks), but I actually enjoy unlocking things at every tier for every tank. The fun is experiencing the introduction of upgraded equipment from Tier to Tier, and even sometimes backing-down a few Tiers to play with the early tanks where the game is not playing wack-a-mole 90% of the time at 1km+ with camping snipers. Sometimes it's a matter of just unlocking a certain tank you may really enjoy and gets certain matching that really should be fun in itself. You don't really "beat the game" by getting to Tier 5 anyway. Tier 3 may be the sweet spot for this game, much like Tier 5-7 were for WoT.

Right? I'm starting the Russian tank line now and I've ground to a halt at BR 2.3. I have probably 6 vehicles of higher ranks than the 2.3s but I'm enjoying this tier so much I haven't even added the rest to a different preset. At this point I'd be suprised if I even bother to play the 3s until I have a 4 and 5 lineup too.

[Dr.Pepsi Man]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by ReaperV:

As somebody who at one point had every single tank in the game in WoT, and about half the tanks in this game in CBT, I will tell you that the fun gameplay is not at Tier 5. I have enough premium tanks that I could just grind past most other tanks (and I did to a small degree with the early Brit tanks), but I actually enjoy unlocking things at every tier for every tank. The fun is experiencing the introduction of upgraded equipment from Tier to Tier, and even sometimes backing-down a few Tiers to play with the early tanks where the game is not playing wack-a-mole 90% of the time at 1km+ with camping snipers. Sometimes it's a matter of just unlocking a certain tank you may really enjoy and gets certain matching that really should be fun in itself. You don't really "beat the game" by getting to Tier 5 anyway. Tier 3 may be the sweet spot for this game, much like Tier 5-7 were for WoT.

Right? I'm starting the Russian tank line now and I've ground to a halt at BR 2.3. I have probably 6 vehicles of higher ranks than the 2.3s but I'm enjoying this tier so much I haven't even added the rest to a different preset. At this point I'd be suprised if I even bother to play the 3s until I have a 4 and 5 lineup too.

Originally posted by ReaperV:

As somebody who at one point had every single tank in the game in WoT, and about half the tanks in this game in CBT, I will tell you that the fun gameplay is not at Tier 5. I have enough premium tanks that I could just grind past most other tanks (and I did to a small degree with the early Brit tanks), but I actually enjoy unlocking things at every tier for every tank. The fun is experiencing the introduction of upgraded equipment from Tier to Tier, and even sometimes backing-down a few Tiers to play with the early tanks where the game is not playing wack-a-mole 90% of the time at 1km+ with camping snipers. Sometimes it's a matter of just unlocking a certain tank you may really enjoy and gets certain matching that really should be fun in itself. You don't really "beat the game" by getting to Tier 5 anyway. Tier 3 may be the sweet spot for this game, much like Tier 5-7 were for WoT.

Whether it's in WOT or here, I think it comes down to having fun in whatever. whether it's in tier 1 or tier 5. There's some vehicles in tier 1 that I've played over 300 battles but it doesn't take away the fact that at higher tiers, it's just as fun. The difference is that at a higher tier, you have more skilled players for the most part that push/flank harder on average and there's significantly higher repair costs so it can quickly eat away at your SL if you play poorly.

[ReaperV]

I feel, ya, but I guess since I'm one of those people who likes playing vastly different vehicles (I'm especially a bit of a turret-less TD ♥♥♥♥♥, because I like the tactical challenge), I tend to just unlock and buy everything as I go anyway. In all honesty, I had a good amount of starting funds from the end of CBT and or playing airplanes or whatever, so money has not been an issue for me. The grind is really non-existent with a premium account and a premium vehicle you may enjoy, but since I did play for free for at least 50 hours since OBT (I have less than 90 hour in the game at this time), it was enough to get up to Tier 3 Soviet and German tanks without too much hassle. I had a premium Tier 1 Soviet and German tank to help "grind" a little, but mostly I just liked playing them. :3

I have some Tier 4 premiums that have the highest potential earnings in the game, but I generally refuse to play them currently just because I'm actually having fun playing with the various M4's, Pz III M, Pz IV F2, all of the StuG's, etc. I like variety and the low "risk" of earlier tiers. People rush around, aggressive flanking has high rewards and low penalties. Win/win. If you really enjoy some vehicles at later tiers, their higher earning factors should make it pretty quick to get you whatever Tier 5.

If I'm still feeling like playing this game, I'll probably just keep jumping from nation to nation and spend most of my time unlocking new tanks as opposed to just playing the final tanks I unlock.

Back in WoT, I think I started by getting the IS-7 based on how "Russian-bias OPed" it was supposed to be, then I basically said "F this!" and had the most fun playing the "poor" German E-100 and later that French Foch 155 TD with the auto-loader. Meh, discovery is half the fun, and I totally agree that having a goal of unlocking something is probably my main driving force. If I unlock everything, odds are that I would eventually lose interest and move on to something else, pretty much how I did with WoT... that's probably why I like having to unlock a bunch of things along the way... I would do that anyway. haha!

[Dr.Pepsi Man]

Originally posted by Keithson62:

I was looking at the reseach trees in the game and I found out that you have to order at least 6 vehicles of a rank to get to the next rank. That's really dumb, if you just want to grind 1 or 2 branches of planes or tanks in a nation then it's impossible to get to the next rank. I don't want to get every single vehicle in the game, it would take a lot of time and silver lions. For the Americans, Germans and Soviets, it's not really a problem if you want to go down 2 or 3 branches of tanks, as they have a lot of tanks per rank, but the British and Japanese don't have a lot of tanks per rank so you got to go down every tank branch to get to rank 5, which I don't want to do. I've recently started playing War Thunder. I'm wondering if it's been like that for a while.

Also as a note to you, from tier 1-3 in any nation in ground forces (except japan because their vehicles are absolutely awful to use for the most part) it will be relatively quick to move up the tree. Once you hit br 4.0, it starts to slow down and you really feel it at 5.0 and even more so when you go up higher.

I forgot to mention that not that many have access to the japan line so it doesn't matter for you yet.

So if your endgoal is to simply have fun, do what i did when I didn't have premium. Just go up to br 5.0 in every nation in ground forces. It's a relatively quick upgrade and you get to understand and experience the weaknesses and strengths of each tank.

[ReaperV]

Originally posted by DoctorPresidentPope:

The difference is that at a higher tier, you have more skilled players for the most part that push/flank harder on average and there's significantly higher repair costs so it can quickly eat away at your SL if you play poorly.

Nail on the head, Sir!

That's the aspect that I find reduces the "fun" for me to a degree... much more pressure to do well, less room for mistakes, and generally less chance for me to run off and just *herpa-derp* around on my own behind the enemy lines in the hopes of getting the jump on 5 enemy tanks too busy to notice me bouncing shots with my tiny Japanese tank that has to be with-in 10 meter for any chance to puncture the cosmetic engine cover... but, it has happened, and it's satisfying as heck when it does! :)

I even had one match where I spent a good 10 minutes with another player and a tipped-over truck tethered and pushing it around in the hopes of getting it back up. Half the team were laughing their asses off because we did not stop pushing the truck around even when we were being ambushed... I simply turned my turret around in place, and popped both tanks (I think something like BT-5's or something trying to make it over a hill all sneaky-beaky-like) and continued pushing. The good news? We got the truck flipped back right-side-up as the match was ending, and we won! :D You do that in Tier 5 and you are out a bunch of repair costs, as you will probably be dead, and half the team will hate you for being that one jerk not taking it seriously. xD

... well, I say that, and I lost it on some poor noob on my team who was pushing me around half the match into enemy fire, but oh well. :X

I guess there is fun to be had at all tiers, as long as you enjoy the play style of a particular vehicle, or maybe want the competitive challenge that may be missing at lower tiers.

[DarkFenix]

I'm thankful that the game forces you to grab a quota of vehicles before progressing (though I do think that quota should be relaxed a tad proportionate to how few tanks a nation has at a particular tier). I dread to think how many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ we'd see at high tier with a single vehicle appropriate for the matchmaking there, everything else being hopelessly obsolete.