is-2 vs tiger 2 is fair?

[Fsxlover2]

do people think its fair for the is-2 to fight the tiger 2 or is it so unfair?

[Fwostylicious]

The Is-2 was meant to fight king tigers

[Barty Crease]

i destroy people with my is-2?

[Katokevin]

IS-2 model 1943 will favor the tiger II more, but the IS-2 model 1944 is fair. By then, it is either go for the turret or lower glacis for both. If either penetrate, they are either going to be seriously damaged with 2 men left, or killed in the first shot. It used to be quite fun when you usually had just T-44's and IS-2's vs Tiger II's and Panthers, but with all the other nations, BR range tanks, etc, it's not as fun anymore to me.

[Brett]

IS-2 and 1944 model are garbage, KT is the best tank. 1 shot ♥♥♥♥♥♥ IS through front of the hull.

[Fsxlover2]

Originally posted by Frostielicious:

The Is-2 was meant to fight king tigers

it was supposed to fight tiger 1 not 2

[Dingdong09]

No , it's not. The IS-2 can only pen the KTH in very small spots on the turret, LFP is a gamble. Even if you penetrate you will most likely just kill 2 or 3 crewmen and since they replaced faster than you reload return fire will come before you can hit him again.

IS-2-44 belongs in 6.0 (maybe 6.3) with the Tiger E, IS-2-43 belongs 5.7 with the Tiger H1.

The current ratings were assigned at a time when last man standing wasn't a thing, HE worked and APHE was more powerful so these are outdated ratings.

[ReaperV]

Originally posted by Fsxlover2:

Originally posted by Frostielicious:

The Is-2 was meant to fight king tigers

it was supposed to fight tiger 1 not 2

The King Tiger existed since 1943. The Mod 1944 was modded to be more competitive against heavy German armor.

[ReaperV]

Originally posted by ✠ Ṝeguℓus Σraɖɨco ✠:

Originally posted by ReaperV:

The King Tiger existed since 1943. The Mod 1944 was modded to be more competitive against heavy German armor.

Existed and didn't see combat until August 1944. IS-2 was serviced and saw combat in April. Its original intent, like he said, was for Tiger 1's and also Panthers so he isn't wrong.

It's semantics at best. The gun specs tell you it was armed to fight whatever heavier armor was out there. "Intent" is subjective, especially if your only "credible" source of information is from US sources that thought the original Sherman with the 75mm that bounced off Tiger 1's was enough.

As you stated, it's balanced in the game and both can kill each other, which I agree with...

[Illusionyary]

Originally posted by Dingdong09:

IS-2-44 belongs in 6.0 (maybe 6.3) with the Tiger E, IS-2-43 belongs 5.7 with the Tiger H1.

I disagree. The regular IS-2 is fine where it is at 6.0, but I think the mod.44 should be brought down to 6.3 as that's where the Tiger II P sits.

Also as mentioned above the IS-2 was never intended to combat Tiger IIs, that's what the IS-3 was for.

[Dingdong09]

Originally posted by ReaperV:

Originally posted by Fsxlover2:

it was supposed to fight tiger 1 not 2

The King Tiger existed since 1943. The Mod 1944 was modded to be more competitive against heavy German armor.

The KT wasn't encountered on the eastern front until August 1944 at Ogledow where ISU-122's and IS-2 were a large factor in defeating them. The KT ultimately was such a rare tank that it didn't really inspire any upgrade until after the war since the IS-2 in 99% of situations did not encounter them, in fact there are less than half a dozen known battles between IS-2's and KT's.

[Dingdong09]

Originally posted by Illusionyary:

Originally posted by Dingdong09:

IS-2-44 belongs in 6.0 (maybe 6.3) with the Tiger E, IS-2-43 belongs 5.7 with the Tiger H1.

I disagree. The regular IS-2 is fine where it is at 6.0, but I think the mod.44 should be brought down to 6.3 as that's where the Tiger II P sits.

Also as mentioned above the IS-2 was never intended to combat Tiger IIs, that's what the IS-3 was for.

Not really, the Panther A is better than the IS-2-43 so it belongs lower.

[ReaperV]

Originally posted by ✠ Ṝeguℓus Σraɖɨco ✠:

Originally posted by ReaperV:

It's semantics at best. The gun specs tell you it was armed to fight whatever heavier armor was out there. "Intent" is subjective, especially if your only "credible" source of information is from US sources that thought the original Sherman with the 75mm that bounced off Tiger 1's was enough.

As you stated, it's balanced in the game and both can kill each other, which I agree with...

So you go off what you have.

I'm not stating that there was no arms race, however the point I was making is that there was always a better tank out there from one side or the other. I feel that in this community we get into these arguments over which thing has an exact equal on the other, when in the context of the game we have the Battle Ratings for fairness, which was not always fair back then, hence my Sherman comparison. Just because a newer and better tank was in development (IS-3), I don't think certain tanks were necessarily 'not' meant to fight newer models. If we rely on "intention" too much then we justify the earlier US tanks being under-gunned the way they were, and despite the PzIII's/IV's the early 75mm was supposed to defeat they also apparently thought it was "adequate" to deal with Tigers and Panthers. That late in the war the US knew the Germans had Tigers and Panthers, they just did not care too much for whatever economic (or hubris) reasons.

So, in short, I did not completely disagree with the original poster I replied to, either... I just disagreed with it being stated so black and white. Better tank is better. I get it lol.

[ReaperV]

Originally posted by SolidShot:

The Tiger 2 is the ultimate noob tank.

To be fair the KV-1E is the early noob tank, so German bias revenge? lol

I probably lack the experience in this game (I only started playing again recently and mostly in Tier 1-3 after hitting Tier 4 in CBT), but I have a feeling it's more to do with player preferences. Some tanks are just better at being at range, while others are better flankers. With how flat those KT sides are and how much pen Soviet guns have (not to mention that great explosive filler), it may not be as bad as we make it sound some times. I don't disagree with you, just not sure if it's a complete slaughter in favor of the KT.

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

In the old days those 2 heavys ruled tier4, playing 6.7 was amazing in those days.

[↯Zindy⛦]

the Kv1E isn't a noob tank my freind, it is simply a tank that has the possibility of bouncing the panzer 4 shells that ruin any other tank at its tier