Panzer IV is op

[MAKO]

The panzer 4 can one shot basically anything at its teir and its pretty overpowered. it can pen front armor and everything on my T34 and its really op.

[Illusionyary]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von |RG| smash5760:

Look. I only make salt threads when i get killed over and over and over and over by a vehicle or tanks or plane of some sort it gets irritating and repetitive.

Just because you die a whole bunch of times to a certain vehicle doesn't make it "overpowered".

Ursprünglich geschrieben von |RG| smash5760:

Pz.IV needs to be uptiered back to 3.7 where it belongs or around 4.0 area because of its power. That being said it is quite a glass cannon but its fairly easy to use compared to other shermans and other nations vehicles.

It was fine at 3.7. There's already the J at 4.0, and the H at 4.3. Putting the F2 above the G model (which is now 3.7) and alongside the J model at 4.0 makes absolutely no sense.

[Eli-GaminG]

From my long expirience in the pz IV f2 i can say that, if used correctly, it's one of the best​ tanks in the game. Even if it can easly get oneshotted I can get at least 7 kills per game with some assists, i suggest to bring w him a StuG 3 f and a wiberlwind.
In the 120 hours of pz IV F2 i've destroyed something like 800 ground forces ( not ai).
My point is: if you are a white PZ IV F2 whit a gigant Petrovitch and a 100 victory mark i have one thing to tell u: Run!
( P.s : i admit that 5.7 second reload time is pretty op even for an ace crew)

[Zevz]

Pz IV F2 is OP for its tier !!.. its low BR, big hitting gun, and can pen everything.. no point in angle a Kv-1 heavy tanks, you could be in a light tank it would be the same.. a kv-1 has what 68 pen ? :P and are higher BR.. pff.

[Eli-GaminG]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zevz:

Pz IV F2 is OP for its tier !!.. its low BR, big hitting gun, and can pen everything.. no point in angle a Kv-1 heavy tanks, you could be in a light tank it would be the same.. a kv-1 has what 68 pen ? :P and are higher BR.. pff.

Yes sometimes i bring my pz 4 f2 with my panther A and my Tiger E but just for fun; i get with him max 4 kills. And note that 75% of the kV 1 front can't ne penned by a standard PZ IV shell.

[PMA]

Stay on topic.

[MAKO]

im all for learning how to defeat it.

[kiro the avenger!]

The reason why you get killed so much by Pz.IVs is that they're the best Germany gets at the tier. The only thing that's equivalent is the Pz.III, and the 50mm is seriously getting old by that point.
Sure they can penetrate everything with ease, but with so little armour that's a two way street.

[Eli-GaminG]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von |RG| smash5760:

im all for learning how to defeat it.

Here is one easy way to kill PZ IV

1) shoot the turret in the gunners spot. In this way you will kill loader, gunner and commander giving you time to kill the two guys at the front.

( OR U MAY GO FOR THE TURRET RING THAT WILL KILL ALL CREW AND MAKE THE TANK BLOW UP!)

This works for Russia-USA-Germany
The brits don't do that good and well japan... I DONT PLAY WITH JAPAN!

[kiro the avenger!]

Also T-34s have the benefit of weird points on the hull that can troll bounce you.
Hit the MG port wrong, hit the drivers hatch at all, hit the mantlet wrong and you'll bounce.
Pz.IVs have next to none of this, even the middle glacis (there's got to be a fancy name for that bit) with the track on wont bounce anything.
Shermans have a few bits around the mantlet but their rather large hull is a complete free fire zone.

This is more significant in SB, especially the T-34s drivers hatch, since where you hit in the x-axis isn't as precise as it in in RB due to displaced sights.

[Sequere pecuniam]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von |RG| smash5760:

The panzer 4 can one shot basically anything at its teir and its pretty overpowered. it can pen front armor and everything on my T34 and its really op.

Another badie whining. Since when should fast medium tank have reliable armor? T34(br3.7) is alot better than pz4(br3.7)(thats my opinion though).

[Eli-GaminG]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Friendly Jew:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von |RG| smash5760:

The panzer 4 can one shot basically anything at its teir and its pretty overpowered. it can pen front armor and everything on my T34 and its really op.

Another badie whining. Since when should fast medium tank have reliable armor? T34(br3.7) is alot better than pz4(br3.7)(thats my opinion though).

Depends in the player: t34 are good tanks but the pz IV , if user by anche experienced player, its better. But a normal pz IV player vs a normal t 34 player its a close match

[Roltzi-RatBoiGenius]

After 2.6k hours on steam client having a lot of chances and time killing Pz IV's.. i wouldn't say they are OP. Rather easy to kill from any distance, they are boxes with good guns. Never ever had any problem against them Or T-34's or Shermans... Best success ration in T-34's tho. Really really easy tanks to chill and make money.

[Eli-GaminG]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rulz:

After 2.6k hours on steam client having a lot of chances and time killing Pz IV's.. i wouldn't say they are OP. Rather easy to kill from any distance, they are boxes with good guns. Never ever had any problem against them Or T-34's or Shermans... Best success ration in T-34's tho. Really really easy tanks to chill and make money.

Yes atm Russia teams are the best but if we fave off 1v1 i think the one who wins is the one who shoots first.

[Roltzi-RatBoiGenius]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blood For The Blood God!:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rulz:

After 2.6k hours on steam client having a lot of chances and time killing Pz IV's.. i wouldn't say they are OP. Rather easy to kill from any distance, they are boxes with good guns. Never ever had any problem against them Or T-34's or Shermans... Best success ration in T-34's tho. Really really easy tanks to chill and make money.

Yes atm Russia teams are the best but if we fave off 1v1 i think the one who wins is the one who shoots first.

Yes, The balance in warthunder even how terrible it is usually forms up in who shoots first in a 1v1 engagement. 3-4.3 BR is pretty good in balance tho. Nothing is actually broken or too tough to handle.

[Sequere pecuniam]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blood For The Blood God!:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Friendly Jew:

Another badie whining. Since when should fast medium tank have reliable armor? T34(br3.7) is alot better than pz4(br3.7)(thats my opinion though).

Depends in the player: t34 are good tanks but the pz IV , if user by anche experienced player, its better. But a normal pz IV player vs a normal t 34 player its a close match

Dude T34 has bigger skill cap because of the mobility(flanking, ducking shots, circling around tanks) which pz4 compared has not so good. PZ4 is just has a good gun and average mobility,and somewhat existant armor. T34 would win 8 out of 10 times vs pz4 on different maps