Tier 5 USA VS RUSSIA??

[Craz(Y)een]

I want to know from other War Thunder players witch ya'll like playing more and give me the Pros and ♥♥♥♥ of the USA Planes and Tanks vs the Russian Plane and Tanks. Becase I am more close to getting the Russian Tier 5 Tanks and Jets but want to know if i should be trying to get the USA ones first tho.

[Foxtrot39]

US tanks is a pain in the ass most of the time with a few good one (usualy due to a bad armor/gun combo at its BR)

Their aircraft are heavy but can pack quite a lot of ammo and bomb/rocket

Russia got the most newbie frendly tanks after germany (i think) but aiming down is not possible on all of them

Their plane are rather nimble with powerfull weapon and average to low ammo reserve

[Brett]

Russia are better than America

[Roltzi-RatBoiGenius]

Russian tanks at tier 5 are babyproof, but not actually that good. Use HEAT-FS or HESH as the tanks are really cramped. They don't have depression, slow reload and not that good of a mobility. Armor wise... they are good against bad shots and worse players. USSR are the weakest nation at tier 5 at the moment, they have a lot of tanks there but all of these aren't that good to deal with faster and more versatile tanks with better ammunition. USSR planes are idiot proof as well, but their ground attack is terrible compared to USA. APHE is mainly the ammunition that USSR tier5 use, while packs a punch when it penetrates it lacks penetration and versatility. there is the psychological advantage tho as every bad player or a idiot gets demoralized by the "russian bias"(doesn't actually exist, but whatever.) whenever they face a USSR tank or get killed by one.

USA tier 5s are let's say bad to a point, they need more skill to use and need to farm the ammunition to deal with anyhting with ease. they aren't armored as russians in a sense, but have wierd shapes that can save you from a shot some times. Good reload and mobility with competitive hands you can make ♥♥♥♥ happen. USA has the best Ground attackers in the game in the plane department.

I would choose americans, if you want to be competitive.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Rulz a écrit :

Russian tanks at tier 5 are babyproof, but not actually that good. Use HEAT-FS or HESH as the tanks are really cramped. They don't have depression, slow reload and not that good of a mobility. Armor wise... they are good against bad shots and worse players. USSR are the weakest nation at tier 5 at the moment, they have a lot of tanks there but all of these aren't that good to deal with faster and more versatile tanks with better ammunition. USSR planes are idiot proof as well, but their ground attack is terrible compared to USA. APHE is mainly the ammunition that USSR tier5 use, while packs a punch when it penetrates it lacks penetration and versatility. there is the psychological advantage tho as every bad player or a idiot gets demoralized by the "russian bias"(doesn't actually exist, but whatever.) whenever they face a USSR tank or get killed by one.

USA tier 5s are let's say bad to a point, they need more skill to use and need to farm the ammunition to deal with anyhting with ease. they aren't armored as russians in a sense, but have wierd shapes that can save you from a shot some times. Good reload and mobility with competitive hands you can make ♥♥♥♥ happen. USA has the best Ground attackers in the game in the plane department.

I would choose americans, if you want to be competitive.

im confused. you say.
"russian tanks at tier 5 are babyproof" - "russia is the weakest nation in tier 5" - "US tier 5s are lets say bad to the point,they need more skill" and "I would choose americans, if you want to be competitive"
theres are a few contradictions there.what do you drive yourself??

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

darknessangelord a écrit :

I want to know from other War Thunder players witch ya'll like playing more and give me the Pros and ♥♥♥♥ of the USA Planes and Tanks vs the Russian Plane and Tanks. Becase I am more close to getting the Russian Tier 5 Tanks and Jets but want to know if i should be trying to get the USA ones first tho.

i went for the US tanks first,but i regret that i did,i should have gone for russian tier 5s,so im grinding those out now.

[Roltzi-RatBoiGenius]

NAFdeadmike a écrit :

Rulz a écrit :

Russian tanks at tier 5 are babyproof, but not actually that good. Use HEAT-FS or HESH as the tanks are really cramped. They don't have depression, slow reload and not that good of a mobility. Armor wise... they are good against bad shots and worse players. USSR are the weakest nation at tier 5 at the moment, they have a lot of tanks there but all of these aren't that good to deal with faster and more versatile tanks with better ammunition. USSR planes are idiot proof as well, but their ground attack is terrible compared to USA. APHE is mainly the ammunition that USSR tier5 use, while packs a punch when it penetrates it lacks penetration and versatility. there is the psychological advantage tho as every bad player or a idiot gets demoralized by the "russian bias"(doesn't actually exist, but whatever.) whenever they face a USSR tank or get killed by one.

USA tier 5s are let's say bad to a point, they need more skill to use and need to farm the ammunition to deal with anyhting with ease. they aren't armored as russians in a sense, but have wierd shapes that can save you from a shot some times. Good reload and mobility with competitive hands you can make ♥♥♥♥ happen. USA has the best Ground attackers in the game in the plane department.

I would choose americans, if you want to be competitive.

im confused. you say.
"russian tanks at tier 5 are babyproof" - "russia is the weakest nation in tier 5" - "US tier 5s are lets say bad to the point,they need more skill" and "I would choose americans, if you want to be competitive"
theres are a few contradictions there.what do you drive yourself??

Yes, For a below average player USSR tank at tier 5 is better than a USA tank. As the you can make more mistakes. But for a better player a far more versatile machine is better. Also my english ain't the best so there might be some errors here and there.

When comparing machines and not player performance, USSR tanks are worst at tier 5. When comparing Player performance on average level USSR tanks among the other nations shine thru the litter. For an example the skill floor on a USSR tank is low and the skill ceiling is low as well, while Chieftain skill floor is low as well, but the skill ceiling is potentially higher. A good player can get more out of a chieftain as its more versatile in many ways.

[Roltzi-RatBoiGenius]

Also i forgot to mention what i drive myself, i've been a USSR mainer since the ground forces was released and then started to play Brits as cheiftain was released. both nations at Tier 5 and almost fully researched. I have a friend with less skill than me going thru USA and Germany at tier 5, So i don't have to(as grinding thru the god awful USA tree to get to the good stuff drove me off).

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Rulz a écrit :

Also i forgot to mention what i drive myself, i've been a USSR mainer since the ground forces was released and then started to play Brits as cheiftain was released. both nations at Tier 5 and almost fully researched. I have a friend with less skill than me going thru USA and Germany at tier 5, So i don't have to(as grinding thru the god awful USA tree to get to the good stuff drove me off).

(i had a feeling that might be the case)so to sum up, you recommend this guy to play the US tanks,but you havnt driven them yourself,and you even go as far as to say "(as grinding thru the god awful USA tree to get to the good stuff drove me off)"
and you still recommend him to play the US tanks over russian,that dosnt make much sense to me.
have your experience with russian rank 5 tanks been a bad one?? or are you just trying to downplay how good the russian tanks really are(sounds like that too me)can i take a look?? whats your warthunder name?

[Roltzi-RatBoiGenius]

NAFdeadmike a écrit :

Rulz a écrit :

Also i forgot to mention what i drive myself, i've been a USSR mainer since the ground forces was released and then started to play Brits as cheiftain was released. both nations at Tier 5 and almost fully researched. I have a friend with less skill than me going thru USA and Germany at tier 5, So i don't have to(as grinding thru the god awful USA tree to get to the good stuff drove me off).

(i had a feeling that might be the case)so to sum up, you recommend this guy to play the US tanks,but you havnt driven them yourself,and you even go as far as to say "(as grinding thru the god awful USA tree to get to the good stuff drove me off)"
and you still recommend him to play the US tanks over russian,that dosnt make much sense to me.
have your experience with russian rank 5 tanks been a bad one?? or are you just trying to downplay how good the russian tanks really are(sounds like that too me)can i take a look?? whats your warthunder name?

My intial experience on russian tanks was terrible when i got to Tier5, but that was because Is-3 and is-4m are really bad in their BR spread, would be amazing tanks if there was more BR brackets. As they can't rely on their armor against post-war ammunition at all and they fight against this most of the time. While their cannons pack-a-punch in closer ranges, where they have to be. They really fall out in performance against the tide of leopards and even some 6.7 due Heat and Hesh.

T-54's are pretty bad comparison what they fight against most of the time. You can kill whatever you are facing, but you need to outplay the enemy or just find a one that is not aware of you.

When i got to T-10M things are much better and i love it( i'm abusing the fact that i'm killing players that really don't use their advantages over me most of the time) but the disadvantages are large. Russians do have IT-1, but its not that good comparison the loud noises that people make it seem. Rather dull is the IT-1 to play too. Also there was a fact in time when the only competitive tank of the USSR tree was ZSU-57-2, which was pretty clear why. Grinding my way to T62 and i already know what i'm getting there when read about it's current performance in-game.

USSR does have the best pure SPAAG in the game, but thats all its good for. which is great as SPAAG should be purely against air-targets. i don't own shilka but its well know for its performance.

I recommend M60A1 as its really good jack of all trades with really good reload and ammunition choices, sheridan is also a great tincan when played safely, M103 is getting a buff so it might get real good, i really don't have to play them myself as i can read/watch really competitive players talking about the current balance. as USA almost ties up with german in versatilty. Yeah most tanks USA have before they get to 7.0-8.0 spread are just crap. i don't want to touch these even if i have T29 for grinding.

The fact is that russians lack Meta high tier tank compared to other nations, also i know i'm biased as heck.. every human is.

Yeah just check: Officer_Harambe

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Rulz a écrit :

NAFdeadmike a écrit :

(i had a feeling that might be the case)so to sum up, you recommend this guy to play the US tanks,but you havnt driven them yourself,and you even go as far as to say "(as grinding thru the god awful USA tree to get to the good stuff drove me off)"
and you still recommend him to play the US tanks over russian,that dosnt make much sense to me.
have your experience with russian rank 5 tanks been a bad one?? or are you just trying to downplay how good the russian tanks really are(sounds like that too me)can i take a look?? whats your warthunder name?

My intial experience on russian tanks was terrible when i got to Tier5, but that was because Is-3 and is-4m are really bad in their BR spread, would be amazing tanks if there was more BR brackets. As they can't rely on their armor against post-war ammunition at all and they fight against this most of the time. While their cannons pack-a-punch in closer ranges, where they have to be. They really fall out in performance against the tide of leopards and even some 6.7 due Heat and Hesh.

well my initial experience with any tier 5s have been terrible,(german/US)so i think that may be more related to a stock problem,cause the higher the br the more dependant you are on modules and ammo thats dosnt come stock with the tank.those leopards are equaly terrible to drive when they are stock.

Rulz a écrit :

T-54's are pretty bad comparison what they fight against most of the time. You can kill whatever you are facing, but you need to outplay the enemy or just find a one that is not aware of you.

their armor saves them quite often in my experience,especially against APDS(wich is horrible)

Rulz a écrit :

When i got to T-10M things are much better and i love it( i'm abusing the fact that i'm killing players that really don't use their advantages over me most of the time) but the disadvantages are large.

because it has armor wich gives it the ability to sustain a hit or two,especially if they are using APDS,thats where most others lack,in that ability to sustain a hit and survive.

Rulz a écrit :

Russians do have IT-1, but its not that good comparison the loud noises that people make it seem. Rather dull is the IT-1 to play too. Also there was a fact in time when the only competitive tank of the USSR tree was ZSU-57-2,

wait wut??when was that??

Rulz a écrit :

USSR does have the best pure SPAAG in the game, but thats all its good for. which is great as SPAAG should be purely against air-targets. i don't own shilka but its well know for its performance.

id say its the ZSU-57-2 thats known for its performance,not the shilka

Rulz a écrit :

I recommend M60A1 as its really good jack of all trades with really good reload and ammunition choices, sheridan is also a great tincan when played safely, M103 is getting a buff so it might get real good, i really don't have to play them myself as i can read/watch really competitive players talking about the current balance. as USA almost ties up with german in versatilty. Yeah most tanks USA have before they get to 7.0-8.0 spread are just crap.

well,ANY tincan is great when played safe,hmm M103 getting a buff?? might dust off the old thing and take it for a spin soon.most US tanks before 7.0-8.0 are just crap?????? i find they are exactly the oppesite,especially before they hit 6.7(excluding T29) jumbo75 with new br,M36 with new br.that should help.

Rulz a écrit :

The fact is that russians lack Meta high tier tank compared to other nations, also i know i'm biased as heck.. every human is.

Yeah just check: Officer_Harambe

but russia dosnt lack "meta" high tier tanks! they have the broadest selection of tier 5 of any nation.so wtf are you talking about??

[Roltzi-RatBoiGenius]

A broad selection just means a lot of choices, As the meta at the moment is going fast, having a fast reload speed and using Heat/hesh. USSR tanks were meta before the addition of leopards and other faster tanks as the meta then was brawling. the closest thing USSR have as a meta tank is the object 906. After the new patch hits this meta will be even more valid as fast tanks with stabilizers have the most advantages using them. Hesh is also getting massive buffs so playing USSR is borderline stupid at that point as the "trolly" armor starts to be just as effective as a layer of sundried tomatos(not that HEAT-FS does the same thing against a cramped tank). Ofc the game still will suffer from stupid ass bounces which can save your hide anyways with any tank.

Yeah M103 AP shot is going to be deadly af, ripping anything to shreds(well at least for now). Armor buffs if i remember correctly as well.

Ofc playing USSR can be viable as its all about player performance, but if have two equally good players with another having a T62 and other one has a M60A1 the T62 should just lose in equal grounds due its terrible performance as a top tier medium. T-10M is the most competitive heavy tank at 8.0 but there is a reason for this, its the only one and it falls short when competing with the mediums.

When i said ZSU-57-2 was the most competitive tank that USSR could give against other tanks, this was just before T62 patch. Well it still kept its spot, but it dropped out as the hull break mechanic was added. Far from being a competitive Jet killer.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Rulz a écrit :

A broad selection just means a lot of choices, As the meta at the moment is going fast, having a fast reload speed and using Heat/hesh. USSR tanks were meta before the addition of leopards and other faster tanks as the meta then was brawling. the closest thing USSR have as a meta tank is the object 906. After the new patch hits this meta will be even more valid as fast tanks with stabilizers have the most advantages using them. Hesh is also getting massive buffs so playing USSR is borderline stupid at that point as the "trolly" armor starts to be just as effective as a layer of sundried tomatos(not that HEAT-FS does the same thing against a cramped tank). Ofc the game still will suffer from stupid ass bounces which can save your hide anyways with any tank.

drop the meta,it dosnt mean anything,fast reload and mobile or slow reload and imobile,it dont mean anything other than what you have to adjust your gamestyle to.

Rulz a écrit :

Yeah M103 AP shot is going to be deadly af, ripping anything to shreds(well at least for now). Armor buffs if i remember correctly as well.

hmm,sounds good. and HESH getting a buff too you say? you have a source for this info?

Rulz a écrit :

Ofc playing USSR can be viable as its all about player performance, but if have two equally good players with another having a T62 and other one has a M60A1 the T62 should just lose in equal grounds due its terrible performance as a top tier medium.

i dont see how you can come to that conclusion.

Rulz a écrit :

T-10M is the most competitive heavy tank at 8.0 but there is a reason for this, its the only one and it falls short when competing with the mediums.

When i said ZSU-57-2 was the most competitive tank that USSR could give against other tanks, this was just before T62 patch. Well it still kept its spot, but it dropped out as the hull break mechanic was added. Far from being a competitive Jet killer.

that ZSU-57-2 was the only competetive tank in the USSR techtree is BS and isnt true.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Rulz a écrit :

Yeah M103 AP shot is going to be deadly af, ripping anything to shreds(well at least for now). Armor buffs if i remember correctly as well./Hesh is also getting massive buffs

can you link your source for this??

[Roltzi-RatBoiGenius]

NAFdeadmike a écrit :

Rulz a écrit :

Yeah M103 AP shot is going to be deadly af, ripping anything to shreds(well at least for now). Armor buffs if i remember correctly as well./Hesh is also getting massive buffs

can you link your source for this??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyIct-a2q3A find the part where he is testing the M103 and there is a couple of reddit posts like these https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/5ywowp/m103_has_been_improved_substantially/

tested it myself in the devserver as well. real nice changes except if you are in the receiving end.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Rulz a écrit :

NAFdeadmike a écrit :

can you link your source for this??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyIct-a2q3A find the part where he is testing the M103 and there is a couple of reddit posts like these https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/5ywowp/m103_has_been_improved_substantially/

alright,thanks,ill check it out :)

Rulz a écrit :

tested it myself in the devserver as well. real nice changes except if you are in the receiving end.

true dat :)