Why are attachable bushes still in the game?

[OhNoNo]

Seriously, I cannot take the idea that War Thunder is "not" pay-to-win when you can purchase visual camouflage that not only helps you blend in, but can actually make it impossible to ID the tank via a silhouette, in a game that relies entirely on the visual ID-ing of targest. It's not even earnable within the game, you can only spend real money! What a scam.

If these were Arcade-only purchases, whatever, I wouldn't care, but it gets really f***ing infuriating being one-shotted by tanks that are hiding in plain sight, completely covered in bushes, or fighting enemy tanks that I cannot ID their weak points or even the silhouette of their tank. The bushes don't even obstruct their gun sights. What a joke.

I really want to like this game again, but I am frequently regretting having spent any money on it, let alone the large sum I've dropped over the years.

[big Whoper]

You can buy them free through the warbonds shop by spending 1500 warbonds. Not hard to get if you're actually trying to get them, just time consuming.

[Illusionyary]

They're really not as "p2w" as people make them out to be. The initial 6 set ones were though, but you can't get them anymore, just the individual bushes. I have a set of 3 of them, and really apart from covering up weakspots, they don't do much. I prefer to actually not use bushes as I find they ruin the aesthetics of tanks.

[Marlowe-33]

Don't mind me, i'm just a bush.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=685478438


But seriously, i don't think they even render over a certain distance? unless they changed something..

[OhNoNo]

Ok, so you have to grind some other method, but why have them in the game at all?

I don't understand the gameplay appeal of having a singular item in the game that grants a disproportionate advantage, such that anyone not using it is immediately less likely to do well. How is that balanced? More importantly, how is that fun?

Even ignoring that, a game that models itself on being more of a "simulator," allowing people to plaster bushes all over the front of their tank, blocking all important view ports, yet still being able to see perfectly seems completely counter-intuitive.

I will never put bushes on my tanks, even if I somehow unlock them, because it seems like such a game-breaking "feature." I don't understand the rationale behind it.

[Illusionyary]

Postat inițial de S2C Alekz:

Even ignoring that, a game that models itself on being more of a "simulator," allowing people to plaster bushes all over the front of their tank, blocking all important view ports, yet still being able to see perfectly seems completely counter-intuitive.

Actually in simulator mode placing bushes or other "decorations" infront of the view ports will actually block them, and you won't be able to fire using the gunsight.

[OhNoNo]

I've seen them rendered at distance, pretty sure.

I don't really know which of them are available, and I don't much care, because being able to cover up weak spots is pretty bad on its own, in my opinion. That goes for using the gas cans, signs, etc. It's an interesting idea, but I think it was very poorly executed -- like a lot of things in this very rough-around-the-edges game.

[OhNoNo]

Postat inițial de Illusionyary:

Postat inițial de S2C Alekz:

Even ignoring that, a game that models itself on being more of a "simulator," allowing people to plaster bushes all over the front of their tank, blocking all important view ports, yet still being able to see perfectly seems completely counter-intuitive.

Actually in simulator mode placing bushes or other "decorations" infront of the view ports will actually block them, and you won't be able to fire using the gunsight.

This is true, but I'm speaking about the game more generally. If Sim mode didn't suck (complete lack of efficient ways to communicate with your team totally ruins it for me), if I could play the tanks I actually wanted to, and the queues didn't often take a good while, I'd probably play Sim too much to even notice the bushes. As it stands, they annoy the crap out of me in realistic.

[Illusionyary]

Postat inițial de S2C Alekz:

I don't really know which of them are available, and I don't much care, because being able to cover up weak spots is pretty bad on its own, in my opinion.

The picture Limey posted above looks to be the initial 6 set bushes, where you bought one bush and had 6 of them to place. The ones you get now are only one bush, so you buy the bush and that's all you get, one. You need to buy all three of them to be useful (that's 1500 GE for 3 bushes...) and even then you can't hide the tank nearly as much.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=789138274

[OhNoNo]

Postat inițial de Illusionyary:

Postat inițial de S2C Alekz:

I don't really know which of them are available, and I don't much care, because being able to cover up weak spots is pretty bad on its own, in my opinion.

The picture Limey posted above looks to be the initial 6 set bushes, where you bought one bush and had 6 of them to place. The ones you get now are only one bush, so you buy the bush and that's all you get, one. You need to buy all three of them to be useful (that's 1500 GE for 3 bushes...) and even then you can't hide the tank nearly as much.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=789138274

Gotcha. Still can't say I think they should exist, at all. I understand it's probably undesirable for them to "refund" people who bought them and remove them entirely, but I find it pretty amazing that they thought that was a good idea in the first place.

[OhNoNo]

Lots of design decisions for this game boggle my mind, overall.

[Illusionyary]

Postat inițial de S2C Alekz:

Gotcha. Still can't say I think they should exist, at all. I understand it's probably undesirable for them to "refund" people who bought them and remove them entirely, but I find it pretty amazing that they thought that was a good idea in the first place.

I think it's a pretty cool idea, but I think Gaijin went the wrong way about adding them. They don't look realistic at all, they just look like, well, bushes. I'd like some camouflage nets and stuff, that'd be both realistic, effective and they wouldn't block the optics or silhouette of the tank. There should be an option to buy them with SL too, not just GE.
https://ncache.ilbe.com/files/attach/new/20130218/720064528/16238016/825622726/7d999d4a8f4de74d4c8b5636f7e30b5d.jpg

[OhNoNo]

Postat inițial de Illusionyary:

Postat inițial de S2C Alekz:

Gotcha. Still can't say I think they should exist, at all. I understand it's probably undesirable for them to "refund" people who bought them and remove them entirely, but I find it pretty amazing that they thought that was a good idea in the first place.

I think it's a pretty cool idea, but I think Gaijin went the wrong way about adding them. They don't look realistic at all, they just look like, well, bushes. I'd like some camouflage nets and stuff, that'd be both realistic, effective and they wouldn't block the optics or silhouette of the tank. There should be an option to buy them with SL too, not just GE.
https://ncache.ilbe.com/files/attach/new/20130218/720064528/16238016/825622726/7d999d4a8f4de74d4c8b5636f7e30b5d.jpg

Very much agreed.

[Marlowe-33]

Postat inițial de Illusionyary:

Postat inițial de S2C Alekz:

Gotcha. Still can't say I think they should exist, at all. I understand it's probably undesirable for them to "refund" people who bought them and remove them entirely, but I find it pretty amazing that they thought that was a good idea in the first place.

I think it's a pretty cool idea, but I think Gaijin went the wrong way about adding them. They don't look realistic at all, they just look like, well, bushes. I'd like some camouflage nets and stuff, that'd be both realistic, effective and they wouldn't block the optics or silhouette of the tank. There should be an option to buy them with SL too, not just GE.
https://ncache.ilbe.com/files/attach/new/20130218/720064528/16238016/825622726/7d999d4a8f4de74d4c8b5636f7e30b5d.jpg

Nice photo, i take it they are brits with a sherman?

[Illusionyary]

Postat inițial de Limey21:

Nice photo, i take it they are brits with a sherman?

It's a Sherman Firefly (the British upgunned Sherman that was capable of knocking out Tigers from over 1KM away) although they could be British, Polish, Canadian, Australian or New Zealand troops as all the Commonwealth forces used the Firefly.

[- DUHASSTMICH -]

So ummm we are complaining that we need to pay money to play this game? It should be free right? Gaijin is a charity? I didn't know this. I will donate for sure then!