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THUNDER 27 ENE 2017 a las 1:05 p. m.
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Bogey 28 ENE 2017 a las 1:23 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bogey:

I get it, it's just too stupid to even comment on ...
i dont think we are looking the same place for stats.
are you looking here?
http://warthunder.com/en/community/userinfo/?nick=Bogey079
here?
https://gyazo.com/2e0bf4211aab076b40e9dafefccb300a
or here
https://gyazo.com/327fe807440cbf96474113ab4f8d2a6b

i tell you why i think winrartes dosnt tell me if you are good at tanks or not.
if you look at my overall winrate in a type like the first link,it will show all battles i ever played,also all the airbattles that earned me my american jets before tanks was even added to the game,i believe i was also a level 100 before tanks was even added,so there is a lot of stuff non tank related to that winrate.hence,it dosnt tell if im a good tanker or not.
furthermore winrates can vary a lot depending on your teammate and unbalanced tanks,like having 80% wins with T-34 and 18% wins with a PZIV(RB).thats why the only skill related indicator is killrates, in individual tanks/planes like on the last link.
winrates tells nothing about a player! his killrates shows if he is skilled or not.

You should at least learn to write properly then, because you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer. The way you formulated it, it looked like you meant every single tank (M4, T-34, etc) should have the same winrate. And you still bring that up, so who knows ...

And add to that the fact that you can easily look up your winrate for planes and tanks individually, which I suppose is for you to know too much to ask for.

KDR tells us only part of the story. Your inflated KDR tells us you're a camper and is worthless for judging how good you really are. And everyone who's been around this forum for a while know you as a big poser and and even bigger nobhead anyway ...

And btw, I was actually thinking about writing that I wouldn't need to post any links to my stats, as some nobhead poser would probably do it for me anyway. I have no idea why you're so obsessed with my stats and why it's so important for you to be better than me. I mean, at least I'm capable of playing the game properly instead of using camping as a crouch, but it's not like I'm good. I'm just a pleb like you, but at least I'm honest with myself.
Fast 28 ENE 2017 a las 3:20 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bogey:
i dont think we are looking the same place for stats.
are you looking here?
http://warthunder.com/en/community/userinfo/?nick=Bogey079
here?
https://gyazo.com/2e0bf4211aab076b40e9dafefccb300a
or here
https://gyazo.com/327fe807440cbf96474113ab4f8d2a6b

i tell you why i think winrartes dosnt tell me if you are good at tanks or not.
if you look at my overall winrate in a type like the first link,it will show all battles i ever played,also all the airbattles that earned me my american jets before tanks was even added to the game,i believe i was also a level 100 before tanks was even added,so there is a lot of stuff non tank related to that winrate.hence,it dosnt tell if im a good tanker or not.
furthermore winrates can vary a lot depending on your teammate and unbalanced tanks,like having 80% wins with T-34 and 18% wins with a PZIV(RB).thats why the only skill related indicator is killrates, in individual tanks/planes like on the last link.
winrates tells nothing about a player! his killrates shows if he is skilled or not.

You should at least learn to write properly then, because you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer. The way you formulated it, it looked like you meant every single tank (M4, T-34, etc) should have the same winrate. And you still bring that up, so who knows ...

And add to that the fact that you can easily look up your winrate for planes and tanks individually, which I suppose is for you to know too much to ask for.

KDR tells us only part of the story. Your inflated KDR tells us you're a camper and is worthless for judging how good you really are. And everyone who's been around this forum for a while know you as a big poser and and even bigger nobhead anyway ...

And btw, I was actually thinking about writing that I wouldn't need to post any links to my stats, as some nobhead poser would probably do it for me anyway. I have no idea why you're so obsessed with my stats and why it's so important for you to be better than me. I mean, at least I'm capable of playing the game properly instead of using camping as a crouch, but it's not like I'm good. I'm just a pleb like you, but at least I'm honest with myself.

My PvP rating in game is higher than yours...lal. im 97 on leaderboards or something and similarly for air targets killed. Where are you?

http://prnt.sc/e0ohmn
Última edición por Fast; 28 ENE 2017 a las 3:21 a. m.
+rep Vollidiot 28 ENE 2017 a las 3:33 a. m. 
and still u can farm ground ai to push ur stats meh so good so "awesome"
Bogey 28 ENE 2017 a las 3:38 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Epic Story:
My PvP rating in game is higher than yours...lal. im 97 on leaderboards or something and similarly for air targets killed. Where are you?

http://prnt.sc/e0ohmn

I guess you know where I am since you tell me your PvP rating is higher than mine. Good for you, I have no idea what my rating has to do with anything though as I have never claimed to be any good or blamed the teams for my stats.

You look a bit like a nobhead now, but you're still not better than your winrate.

EDIT: And your PvP rating isn't even better than mine, mine is higher ... :P
Última edición por Bogey; 28 ENE 2017 a las 3:40 a. m.
NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div 28 ENE 2017 a las 3:42 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Serpent90:
Publicado originalmente por NAFdeadmike:
i tell you why i think winrartes dosnt tell me if you are good at tanks or not.
if you look at my overall winrate in a type like the first link,it will show all battles i ever played,also all the airbattles that earned me my american jets before tanks was even added to the game,i believe i was also a level 100 before tanks was even added,so there is a lot of stuff non tank related to that winrate.hence,it dosnt tell if im a good tanker or not.
furthermore winrates can vary a lot depending on your teammate and unbalanced tanks,like having 80% wins with T-34 and 18% wins with a PZIV(RB).thats why the only skill related indicator is killrates, in individual tanks/planes like on the last link.
winrates tells nothing about a player! his killrates shows if he is skilled or not.

You know, you can look the stats for individual vehicles on thunderskill.

It's true that the overall stats don't say much (mine have been falling steadily ever since I started playing high tier newly researched vehicles without all the goodies like FPE and gun precision)

But with a 100 or so battles, you can get a good idea about how someone is doing with a particular tank with the winrate.

winrates depends on a lot of factors, like teammates,and balance of the tank itself,like if its op or not. there are too many factors to use winrates as an indicator of someones skills,to determine if a player is good or bad i look at killrates on individual tanks.
Bogey 28 ENE 2017 a las 3:52 a. m. 
winrates depends on a lot of factors, like teammates,and balance of the tank itself,like if its op or not. there are too many factors to use winrates as an indicator of someones skills,to determine if a player is good or bad i look at killrates on individual tanks.

Any idiot can get a nice KDR by camping or skyhugging. Winrate might not be a perfect indicator, but at least it puts you in the ballpark. Team mates has no influence on your winrate at all over 1000+ games, it just evens out as anyone with half a brain knows. Killrates on individual tanks is not much worth either, as anyone can camp the hell out of it and get a nice KDR with no skill at all. Winrates on individual tanks has some value though, but you need a lot of games in an individual tank before it shows you anything of value.
Última edición por Bogey; 28 ENE 2017 a las 3:53 a. m.
NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div 28 ENE 2017 a las 4:24 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bogey:
winrates depends on a lot of factors, like teammates,and balance of the tank itself,like if its op or not. there are too many factors to use winrates as an indicator of someones skills,to determine if a player is good or bad i look at killrates on individual tanks.

Any idiot can get a nice KDR by camping or skyhugging.
Winrate might not be a perfect indicator, but at least it puts you in the ballpark. Team mates has no influence on your winrate at all over 1000+ games,
teammates always have a very heavy influence on your winrates,saying they have no influence at all it just plain retarded.
Publicado originalmente por Bogey:
Winrates on individual tanks has some value though, but you need a lot of games in an individual tank before it shows you anything of value.
not really, heres an example.
a player has 76% wins on KV-1 L-11,and 25% wins on SU122. what does that tell you??? nothing.
but a quick look at his killrates will reveal that the 76% winrate on his KV-1 is NOT due to his skill,but rather due to him being carried by his tank and teammates.
he killed 2 enemy tanks in his 13 battles with KV-1, and he killed 0 in his 12 battles with SU-122, you wanna rate this guy on his winrate or killrate?
https://gyazo.com/6e9d6931cef2f566b7684d1a0369b332

ofcourse youre gonna stick with your "opinion" cause you dont wanna lose face,but thats fine.
Bogey 28 ENE 2017 a las 4:45 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bogey:

Any idiot can get a nice KDR by camping or skyhugging.
Winrate might not be a perfect indicator, but at least it puts you in the ballpark. Team mates has no influence on your winrate at all over 1000+ games,
teammates always have a very heavy influence on your winrates,saying they have no influence at all it just plain retarded.
Publicado originalmente por Bogey:
Winrates on individual tanks has some value though, but you need a lot of games in an individual tank before it shows you anything of value.
not really, heres an example.
a player has 76% wins on KV-1 L-11,and 25% wins on SU122. what does that tell you??? nothing.
but a quick look at his killrates will reveal that the 76% winrate on his KV-1 is NOT due to his skill,but rather due to him being carried by his tank and teammates.
he killed 2 enemy tanks in his 13 battles with KV-1, and he killed 0 in his 12 battles with SU-122, you wanna rate this guy on his winrate or killrate?
https://gyazo.com/6e9d6931cef2f566b7684d1a0369b332

ofcourse youre gonna stick with your "opinion" cause you dont wanna lose face,but thats fine.

You're the one worried about your face, mate, projecting your own shortcomings on to other people doesn't make it look any better though ...

My "opinion" happens to be basic mathematics, but apparently your education has had some shortcomings as well. I feel a bit sorry for you actually.

Since you're not interested in facts, you can stop reading now. The rest is just for the forum in general. Winrate over 13 or 12 battles is just a fluke, so that's worthless. However, this guys KDR isn't telling the whole story either. Maybe he had a good influence on the outcome by assisting and help pushing the objectives instead of camping? There's really no information here worth much at all. Only people who are delusional about their own skills would think so.
Última edición por Bogey; 28 ENE 2017 a las 4:46 a. m.
Der Lachende Mann 28 ENE 2017 a las 4:51 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por NAFdeadmike:
teammates always have a very heavy influence on your winrates,saying they have no influence at all it just plain retarded.

Quite often they actually don't have much influence at all, and at least a third, if not half of the team is just utterly useless, with the bottom part it wouldn't make a difference if they actually were afk.

In air battles I'm kinda used to carrying the team, be it ground strike, domination or air dom.
Bogey 28 ENE 2017 a las 5:07 a. m. 
You are actually part of the team, you know. The team includes you, your influence on the outcome is part of the teams chance to win the battle. If you have won for example 53% of your last 1000 battles, you will, if you have not improved your game, gotten worse or changed your gameplay in any significant way, win 53% of your next 1000 battles as well, quite reliably.

Match by match the team matters, but over enough battles it evens out and your winrate will reflect your skills and your personal influence on the outcome instead. Which is why I can say that your teams have no influence on your winrate.
Última edición por Bogey; 28 ENE 2017 a las 5:09 a. m.
Fast 28 ENE 2017 a las 5:26 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Bogey:
You are actually part of the team, you know. The team includes you, your influence on the outcome is part of the teams chance to win the battle. If you have won for example 53% of your last 1000 battles, you will, if you have not improved your game, gotten worse or changed your gameplay in any significant way, win 53% of your next 1000 battles as well, quite reliably.

Match by match the team matters, but over enough battles it evens out and your winrate will reflect your skills and your personal influence on the outcome instead. Which is why I can say that your teams have no influence on your winrate.

You dont seems to understand the weight of a player in a game with 20 players vs the weight of a player with only 5 players.


Win rate in this game is simply irrelevant beyond it existing as a stat. It doesnt show anything because winning in this game is not determined by skilled players. It is determined particularly in AIr battles by who had the most bombers. Or in ground depending on the faction and BR for example who has the most flak 8.8s sat in the spawn...

Point is. Win rate doesnt isnt directly affected by individuals i.e 1/20th of the team. its a combined effort where it can easily be skewed one way or the other...which faction you play? which BR you plaY? what plane you pick.
The amount of variables outside of the players control that determine win rate are too many, and too skewed.

Your skill rating should always be determined by stats that complement individual players ability. Not who had the most bombers.
Última edición por Fast; 28 ENE 2017 a las 5:28 a. m.
NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div 28 ENE 2017 a las 5:27 a. m. 
aaalrightyy then :)
Der Lachende Mann 28 ENE 2017 a las 5:31 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Epic Story:
Win rate in this game is simply irrelevant beyond it existing as a stat. It doesnt show anything because winning in this game is not determined by skilled players.

If I were to pick somebody to squad up with my choice would always go to the guy wiht a 60%+ winrate as opposed to a guy with a 40% winrate. Actually with the latter I'd just hope he'd end up on the opposing team.
Fast 28 ENE 2017 a las 5:33 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Tomwyr:
Publicado originalmente por Epic Story:
Win rate in this game is simply irrelevant beyond it existing as a stat. It doesnt show anything because winning in this game is not determined by skilled players.

If I were to pick somebody to squad up with my choice would always go to the guy wiht a 60%+ winrate as opposed to a guy with a 40% winrate. Actually with the latter I'd just hope he'd end up on the opposing team.

BUt thats not the choice we are asking.

Heres the better option : 60% win rate 0.5KD or 50% win rate 3KD. I can tell you which one would save your ass with a guy on your tail.

This is the point im making, I can sit with a line up of 10 bombers and boost my win rate exponentially by ignoring my team and press space. Or i can involve myself in actual PvP and help my team practically but not with the win in mind.
Última edición por Fast; 28 ENE 2017 a las 5:35 a. m.
Der Lachende Mann 28 ENE 2017 a las 6:05 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Epic Story:
Publicado originalmente por Tomwyr:

If I were to pick somebody to squad up with my choice would always go to the guy wiht a 60%+ winrate as opposed to a guy with a 40% winrate. Actually with the latter I'd just hope he'd end up on the opposing team.

BUt thats not the choice we are asking.

Heres the better option : 60% win rate 0.5KD or 50% win rate 3KD. I can tell you which one would save your ass with a guy on your tail.

This is the point im making, I can sit with a line up of 10 bombers and boost my win rate exponentially by ignoring my team and press space. Or i can involve myself in actual PvP and help my team practically but not with the win in mind.

Problem with a lineup of 10 bombers is, if it's not ground attack you're shafted...

Personally I'd still take the guy with a 60% winrate over the one wiht 50%, assuming that he's play the objective. The guy with the great kdr might just be one of these pro spawn campers, bringing 1 plane, getting to opposing spawn and camp it, only concerned with kdr. Won't accept headons coz it might interfere with his kdr, won't follow bombers that actually dive because he might get shot down in the process....

You may pad kdr just as well as you may pad winrate, but my personal preference goes to winrate over kdr.

I manage a 64% winrate over 30k+ AB games, unlocking and spading just about every vehicle there is, I know my winrate gets dragged down by GF, yet I play them too, though I do have a preference for air.
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