Forced Graphic Settings - Better Engine

[Durzo Blint]

I feel like War Thunder needs to force some graphic settings. When people can shoot you through a bunch of long grass cause there graphics settings is low is nonsense.

I feel like players should not be forced to lower their graphics to have a competitive edge in any game. Nevermind a game where you have to be relatively precise and have good situational awareness.

This came accross as in a battle against a T-54, I knew where he was and he never knew where I was. he drives into some really tall grass just behind a slight dip. I could of shot him but ofc I couldn't see through the tall grass and would probably not have got a good hit by guessing. But ofc, he notices me and just simply aims at me and shoots me like the grass wasn't even there. I've had many problems of people shooting through tall grass, bushes, trees and all nonsense. I don't want to reduce my graphics and get a worse immersion just so I can get an unfair advantage.

I understand that you can pretty much see through tall grass and bushes over 200m with third person view in realistic but I even find this complete nosense. The engine for War Thunder is good just now but they really need to improve folidge to create a much better game. Arcade people can keep seeing through with their laser magic aiming assistance, but on realistic and Sim it will improve the gameplay a lot.

(There is also the problem with seeing through buildings at a distance in third person, just like folidge on certain maps. This I feel is even more absurd. This also allows ATGMs to pinpoint you and shoot you in third person, never having to aim through their scopes)

I know this is limitations on the game engine, but game companies do need to change them everynow and then to get more options and quality. This isn't exactly a taxing game on graphics at all and they would be able to push it a bit further. I'm currently on top graphics, 4k with a computer that is not top specs.

Put down your opinions below.

[samcan244(73 61 6d)]

Vriz の投稿を引用：

samcan244 の投稿を引用：

not that i was saying i cant i spent teh money on a tower pc and anyway there are some people that they cant afford to buy a decent laptop adn this game was made in 2013 and is being udated today so the requirments are still going to go up
also last time i checked gameing laptops cost £1000+ and sure if youve got a good payed job you may be able to afford an expensive computer but not everyone has good payed jobs and i dont have a job cus education and stuff and sure not saying its teh games fault they have dont a better job than other games with optmisation but spj(as example again) can run on older pcs really well to

No.

Buying a laptop to play a game on its maxed settings is the trap people keep falling for. What people need to realize instead, is how to buy a laptop that's capable of playing modern games at even low settings.

That means DOING RESEARCH on the components a laptop you're interested in has.


One pitfall people keep falling into is that some laptops don't even have a dedicated GPU in it. Even more so when an integrated GPU won't perform to standards. Which means doing more research.

Hell, here's an example.

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-E5-575-33BM-15-6-Inch-Processor-Generation/dp/B01K1IO3QW/ref=sr_1_1/145-6916975-9865125?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1493670502&sr=1-1&refinements=p_36%3A30000-40000

Integrated GPU (goes with the processor it has) which is: Intel HD graphics 620

The Specs for it:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-620.172256.0.html

you want to know somthing funny?(well imm saying anyway)
ive got this laptop and my freind also have this laptop both cpus run at 2.4 ghz quad core(mines amd freinds in intel)
my laptop has no dedecated gpu freinds(nvida) does
my laptop can run this game medium @1680X1050 and hold around 20fps his cant rum on minium at 10fps@1280X800
mine has 16GB ddr3(tower type) ram his has 8GB ddr3(laptop type)
also my laptop could swap ram and vram when needed(might sound odd but it could change 1 of my 8GB ram sticks to act as vram in addition to the 1GB it allready had)
so its not look for one with a dedicated gpu and some dedecated gpu are crap and others work well
also that example also has another big flaw 4GB ram is kinda pointless if you want to do more than google and word or some other smaller program

[doodwheel]

Whatever it takes to fix these horrible collision models, I can't tell you how many times my tank has suddenly stopped to invisible reality anchors. The objects you see in the map doesn't match the actual collision model. All of the eye candy graphics is there just to hide the poor modeling.

Not to forget those trees... I'm sure the collision models on those look like Legos™

[The Pangaean Gamer]

TheCampingOwl の投稿を引用：

AussieGhost789 の投稿を引用：

So instead people without a choice should be punished?

It's 2017, this is war thunder. A machine capable of running this game is like $200 at best.

If you can't afford that you most likely are not going to spend money on the game therefore you are not needed. Couple years ago i had trouble running games and it annoyed me. Yet instead of demanding and expecting developers to cater to MY needs and MY outdated computer, i chose to find a way to obtain what i needed in order to upgrade my PC and play said games.

There's no such thing as "without a choice". There is ALWAYS a way to doing anything you want. Always. You just need to be clever enough to find it.

The issue is the devs already are catering to those needs and you're asking them to stop. And your solution involves people spending quite a large amount of money.

[Botboy3]

samcan244 の投稿を引用：

well you try playing on a laptop that gets 17fps on minium and then force a max setting they would need an auto detect to see if your pc coluld do it and if i could then force the settings

If you have a laptop that gets 17fps on minimum then you shouldn't be playing the game on it.

[The Pangaean Gamer]

TheCampingOwl の投稿を引用：

AussieGhost789 の投稿を引用：

The issue is the devs already are catering to those needs and you're asking them to stop. And your solution involves people spending quite a large amount of money.

Forcing grass and trees for everyone would even out the playing field. Too many people abuse low graphics to avoid having certain things rendered just to get an advantage which is just annoying. Games are constantly moving forward, keep your computer up to date or uninstall and get out.

If you don't have the money to buy a PC that can run a game like this, you most certainly don't have the money to support gaijin either.

People might be willing to spend $50 on the game but not $600+ on a new laptop. And again, it's an existing game that you're forcing people out of, not a new game that people won't buy if they can't play. It's a totally different situation.

And if you just turn grass off in optics it's really not that bad.

[The Pangaean Gamer]

TheCampingOwl の投稿を引用：

AussieGhost789 の投稿を引用：

People might be willing to spend $50 on the game but not $600+ on a new laptop. And again, it's an existing game that you're forcing people out of, not a new game that people won't buy if they can't play. It's a totally different situation.

If you have $50 to spend on a game then you can save it up instead and spend $30 on a PC that can run this game in a few months and then spend money on the game. Therefore a solution to getting a better PC is there, you just don't want to take it.

Also, stop imagining that a PC good enough to run WT is $600+, i've literally built computers that can run on medium settings for around $350. And if you can save $50 in 1 month, then next month another $50 and so on you'll be able to buy one pretty soon and play a variety of games.

Your ninja edit there is just daft, why should i have to drop my settings in order to be competitive? What should happen is that every piece of grass and every tree is modeled for everyone.

Because turning off grass is free. I ran WT on max and just turned off grass in optics and stopped having any significant problems. On top of that the advantage of low graphics has reduced quite a lot since tanks first came out. Also talking Aussie dollars here, plus thinking more about laptops which generally cost more than an equally performing desktop.

There are admittedly still issues with low graphics. This solution to it just blows my mind.

[Chaotic Harmony]

AussieGhost789 の投稿を引用：

TheCampingOwl の投稿を引用：

If you have $50 to spend on a game then you can save it up instead and spend $30 on a PC that can run this game in a few months and then spend money on the game. Therefore a solution to getting a better PC is there, you just don't want to take it.

Also, stop imagining that a PC good enough to run WT is $600+, i've literally built computers that can run on medium settings for around $350. And if you can save $50 in 1 month, then next month another $50 and so on you'll be able to buy one pretty soon and play a variety of games.

Your ninja edit there is just daft, why should i have to drop my settings in order to be competitive? What should happen is that every piece of grass and every tree is modeled for everyone.

Because turning off grass is free. I ran WT on max and just turned off grass in optics and stopped having any significant problems. On top of that the advantage of low graphics has reduced quite a lot since tanks first came out. Also talking Aussie dollars here, plus thinking more about laptops which generally cost more than an equally performing desktop.

But why a laptop; you can still use your laptop when going portable is essential. While having the desktop for gaming; laptops are a terrible deal for the hardware you get. Especially in australia where you guys get shafted with 400 dollar prices on mid-range hardware; i actually owned a gaming lappy. At the time it was great; however two years down the road i started to regret buying it.

At the time the 1500 USD i spent could have bought a desktop with twice the power; i also would have been able to upgrade it unlike the laptop. So i would not suggest having a gaming laptop at all; get a desktop for gaming and keep the lappy for portability.

[Werecat101]

I am very sorry if this seems a little harsh, but if people that own older pcs that cant run modern games at a good speed due to the requirements for the PC. should the games industry stop making better games so that the older PC's never become redundant or should games advance and the people with the older pc's play games from the same period as the PC they are using.

Tank games did exist and are still available "Theatre of War" and a number of other games are still out and come from 2007 which will run easily on the older and lower spec PC's.

The reduction in scenery is a cheap way to play,and gives a small advantage to players that run the lowest graphice setting. WT Devs have done some work to reduce the advantage but I myself tested just how much of an advantage and sorry its still huge on any long range shot.

So sorry but older lower spec PC owners should play games that will work fully from the period thier PC comes from and not hold back the latest Titles performance and capabilities, or expect to have modes that work on thier machines and give advantages due to the nature of graphics.

[The Pangaean Gamer]

steve の投稿を引用：

I am very sorry if this seems a little harsh, but if people that own older pcs that cant run modern games at a good speed due to the requirements for the PC. should the games industry stop making better games so that the older PC's never become redundant or should games advance and the people with the older pc's play games from the same period as the PC they are using.
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But we're not talking about making a new game, we're talking about changing an existing game so that people who could previously play no longer can. It's completely different.

[Werecat101]

no its a modern high end game get used to not being able to play everything that exists on an old or laptop pc.

[The Pangaean Gamer]

Chaotic Harmony の投稿を引用：

AussieGhost789 の投稿を引用：

Because turning off grass is free. I ran WT on max and just turned off grass in optics and stopped having any significant problems. On top of that the advantage of low graphics has reduced quite a lot since tanks first came out. Also talking Aussie dollars here, plus thinking more about laptops which generally cost more than an equally performing desktop.

But why a laptop; you can still use your laptop when going portable is essential. While having the desktop for gaming; laptops are a terrible deal for the hardware you get. Especially in australia where you guys get shafted with 400 dollar prices on mid-range hardware; i actually owned a gaming lappy. At the time it was great; however two years down the road i started to regret buying it.

At the time the 1500 USD i spent could have bought a desktop with twice the power; i also would have been able to upgrade it unlike the laptop. So i would not suggest having a gaming laptop at all; get a desktop for gaming and keep the lappy for portability.

Well in my situation I can't play on my desktop. I'm stick using my laptop and I manage about 30 fps on the worst maps on medium settings. I'm just trying to play the devils advocate and point out that this suggestion is cutting people out of a game that they can already play, which is a bit silly.

[The Pangaean Gamer]

steve の投稿を引用：

no its a modern high end game get used to not being able to play everything that exists on an old or laptop pc.

This isn't a case of a new game comming out and people not being able to play. It's a game that people are already playing and the suggestion is that some of these people should no longer be able to play unless they fork out for a new computer.

[Werecat101]

the suggestion is that with the ultra low graphics setting enough scenery is removed to give a huge advantage and that the graphice should be set to a level where nothing disapears so bushes and foliage should be in the game for everyone. at the moment people with high end gaming rigs need to set the graphics to the lowest setting to get a fair game, seeing the same as all the others. I have a PC that gets 178fps with the graphics at max but to get a fair game and see what you potato people see I get to set the graphics at the lowest setting, or play at a disadvantage. now tell me who is most likely to pay for gold a person that cant or wont buy a decent PC or me I spent lots on my PC and could spend more on gold but wont till they get rid of the advantage to potato graphics people.

[Vriz]

AussieGhost789 の投稿を引用：

Chaotic Harmony の投稿を引用：

But why a laptop; you can still use your laptop when going portable is essential. While having the desktop for gaming; laptops are a terrible deal for the hardware you get. Especially in australia where you guys get shafted with 400 dollar prices on mid-range hardware; i actually owned a gaming lappy. At the time it was great; however two years down the road i started to regret buying it.

At the time the 1500 USD i spent could have bought a desktop with twice the power; i also would have been able to upgrade it unlike the laptop. So i would not suggest having a gaming laptop at all; get a desktop for gaming and keep the lappy for portability.

Well in my situation I can't play on my desktop. I'm stick using my laptop and I manage about 30 fps on the worst maps on medium settings. I'm just trying to play the devils advocate and point out that this suggestion is cutting people out of a game that they can already play, which is a bit silly.

Technically, a lot of older hardware can enable a user to play a 2017 game. Not at a stable FPS without some tricks to it but yea, if playing a game that's a slideshow constitutes enough of a point that a user can play it as a means of defense... for playing Devil's Advocate, that they're entitled to play with subpar hardware for a new game that demands something much higher... sure...

You basically paid $60 for a slideshow.

They'll take your money regardless of course, without remorse for your suboptimal playing experience.


That aside; No. Just being able to run a game isn't enough of a defense to further continue support of older hardware. Hell, you even did the same logical decision that I did when it came to Bad Company 2 in my example a page back.

You ditched your desktop and played on your laptop because it could ACTUALLY play it. Thus, better machine to run it. Your desktop is a potatoe, if anything, you should be advocating that Gaijin should spend development time for War Thunder's engine to be suitable to play on your desktop... not your laptop that can already play it.

You're just a hypocrite at this point.

[Chaotic Harmony]

AussieGhost789 の投稿を引用：

steve の投稿を引用：

no its a modern high end game get used to not being able to play everything that exists on an old or laptop pc.

This isn't a case of a new game comming out and people not being able to play. It's a game that people are already playing and the suggestion is that some of these people should no longer be able to play unless they fork out for a new computer.

Every patch and update pushes warthunder into new territory; even the notorious "Client stability has been enhanced" sometimes changes the graphics engine.

Quite honestly i don't understand you advocating for unsupported hardware based on not wanting to purchase newer hardware; for all you know the next patch may break ULQ mode on your system.

Then what would you do? You are on unsupported hardware so no bug report could be filed; nor would they care. If anything im saving you the frustration and trouble of being locked out by a patch or major update.