JQ is incredibly strong now

[Thing of Chaos]

Thanks to the recent patch, which gave everyone more health, shifted damage breakpoints, increased relative accuracy, etc. Queen is now a major threat. I've played a few matches as and against and it's truthfully rare that she dies unless she gets ganged up on by the whole team. What are your guys' thoughts?

[Basarab Laiota]

i hate her knife-thing that pulls you, soooo OP

[Thing of Chaos]

Originally posted by Basarab Laiota:

i hate her knife-thing that pulls you, soooo OP

the knife pull isn't even that strong, it's just that she can pull it into another wound

[The Darkest DeDeDank]

Zen ruins her unfortunately

[Thing of Chaos]

Originally posted by The Darkest DeDeDank:

Zen ruins her unfortunately

i played a comp with a zen on our team, and she still only got annihilated by our ults. now we didn't play 100% the best, but it was still hard to get her low at all, let alone ded

[Gigaclown]

I have to disagree wholeheartdely, sorry. It might be my playstyle with her but after the update she feels so bad to play. I used to be able to carelessly dive into the enemies and get great plays, now I'm just getting obliterated, even though both heals pocket me. Interesting how experiences differ so much though! Knife is nicer now though indeed.

[Thing of Chaos]

Originally posted by Gigaclown:

I have to disagree wholeheartdely, sorry. It might be my playstyle with her but after the update she feels so bad to play. I used to be able to carelessly dive into the enemies and get great plays, now I'm just getting obliterated, even though both heals pocket me. Interesting how experiences differ so much though! Knife is nicer now though indeed.

i guess we do have diff experiences. but every game i play, JQ takes a Discord and generally an ult to kill. i just feel some self-sustain needs to be toned down

[Nelots]

Originally posted by Sage of Chaos:

Originally posted by Gigaclown:

I have to disagree wholeheartdely, sorry. It might be my playstyle with her but after the update she feels so bad to play. I used to be able to carelessly dive into the enemies and get great plays, now I'm just getting obliterated, even though both heals pocket me. Interesting how experiences differ so much though! Knife is nicer now though indeed.

i guess we do have diff experiences. but every game i play, JQ takes a Discord and generally an ult to kill. i just feel some self-sustain needs to be toned down

They literally just nerfed every form of healing including self-sustain in the game though. Tanks essentially have a permanent -20% healing multiplier on them.

[Thing of Chaos]

Originally posted by Nelots:

Originally posted by Sage of Chaos:

i guess we do have diff experiences. but every game i play, JQ takes a Discord and generally an ult to kill. i just feel some self-sustain needs to be toned down

They literally just nerfed every form of healing including self-sustain in the game though. Tanks essentially have a permanent -20% healing multiplier on them.

now i might've missed something, but don't Damage and Tank heroes have the same 20 HPS passive? and at the same time, even if it isn't active in a teamfight since you're taking constant damage, there is still the Wound passive

[Nelots]

Originally posted by Sage of Chaos:

Originally posted by Nelots:

They literally just nerfed every form of healing including self-sustain in the game though. Tanks essentially have a permanent -20% healing multiplier on them.

now i might've missed something, but don't Damage and Tank heroes have the same 20 HPS passive? and at the same time, even if it isn't active in a teamfight since you're taking constant damage, there is still the Wound passive

I'm referencing the new DPS passive that adds a -20% healing multiplier for 2 seconds when a DPS character deals any amount of damage to you. As a tank is always getting shot and targeted by the damages, this essentially means they will ALWAYS have that passive applied.

Most tanks feel worse to play because of it and supports that primarily heal (like Ana) feel useless. But its especially bad for the three self-healing tanks, Roadhog, JQ, and Mauga. Though admittedly JQ is hurt the least here because of her smaller hitbox.

And if 20% less healing doesn't sound bad, just remember that Zen's discord orbs only cause 25% more damage but are nearly impossible to out-heal even before season 9. That small number makes a massive difference.

[Thing of Chaos]

Originally posted by Nelots:

Originally posted by Sage of Chaos:

now i might've missed something, but don't Damage and Tank heroes have the same 20 HPS passive? and at the same time, even if it isn't active in a teamfight since you're taking constant damage, there is still the Wound passive

I'm referencing the new DPS passive that adds a -20% healing multiplier for 2 seconds when a DPS character deals any amount of damage to you. As a tank is always getting shot and targeted by the damages, this essentially means they will ALWAYS have that passive applied.

Most tanks feel worse to play because of it and supports that primarily heal (like Ana) feel useless. But its especially bad for the three self-healing tanks, Roadhog, JQ, and Mauga. Though admittedly JQ is hurt the least here because of her smaller hitbox.

And if 20% less healing doesn't sound bad, just remember that Zen's discord orbs only cause 25% more damage but are nearly impossible to out-heal even before season 9. That small number makes a massive difference.

there's still counterbalances. If JQ is playing properly, she should have a couple active wounds while fighting, which helps to offset the penalty. Zen's discord can also be nulled by hiding around a corner or taking another angle that loses LOS to remove it, and then you can't be discorded again for ~7 seconds, which is enough to do some good damage

[Nelots]

Originally posted by Sage of Chaos:

Originally posted by Nelots:

I'm referencing the new DPS passive that adds a -20% healing multiplier for 2 seconds when a DPS character deals any amount of damage to you. As a tank is always getting shot and targeted by the damages, this essentially means they will ALWAYS have that passive applied.

Most tanks feel worse to play because of it and supports that primarily heal (like Ana) feel useless. But its especially bad for the three self-healing tanks, Roadhog, JQ, and Mauga. Though admittedly JQ is hurt the least here because of her smaller hitbox.

And if 20% less healing doesn't sound bad, just remember that Zen's discord orbs only cause 25% more damage but are nearly impossible to out-heal even before season 9. That small number makes a massive difference.

there's still counterbalances. If JQ is playing properly, she should have a couple active wounds while fighting, which helps to offset the penalty. Zen's discord can also be nulled by hiding around a corner or taking another angle that loses LOS to remove it, and then you can't be discorded again for ~7 seconds, which is enough to do some good damage

I'm fine with discord orbs, I was just bringing them up to show just how big of a difference 20% can make. But JK didn't get any buff to her wounds (aside from the max damage them do to make up for increased health across the board), so she's just the same as before but with less healing (but from herself and teammates). It was a pretty big nerf imo.

[Thing of Chaos]

Originally posted by Nelots:

Originally posted by Sage of Chaos:

there's still counterbalances. If JQ is playing properly, she should have a couple active wounds while fighting, which helps to offset the penalty. Zen's discord can also be nulled by hiding around a corner or taking another angle that loses LOS to remove it, and then you can't be discorded again for ~7 seconds, which is enough to do some good damage

I'm fine with discord orbs, I was just bringing them up to show just how big of a difference 20% can make. But JK didn't get any buff to her wounds (aside from the max damage them do to make up for increased health across the board), so she's just the same as before but with less healing (but from herself and teammates). It was a pretty big nerf imo.

i get wym about bringing up discord orbs for numbers. but also, she didn't really get weakened, her wounds still are effective at healing herself in combat

[hi friends]

Originally posted by The Darkest DeDeDank:

Zen ruins her unfortunately

zen ruins every tank except maybe zarya and sigma and doom anyway

[Froog]

According to the devs because of this patch shes strong in metal ranks but drops off in higher elo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD6FvhdP2Rk