Best Wizard staff atm?

[Jaffa]

So I've got back to after a break and noticed that beam dmg on Beam staff now procs in lower intervals than before. Don't know about the other staves changes. Can you guys bring me up to date please? Which staff is now the most popular on NM and Cata difficulties?

[peremptor]

They're all viable really but the best one overall right now is fireball. Try them all out. Beam got nerfed since it was basically just record a macro and zap everything on the map previously which was lame and specialtarded in a game that should be about skill and a cool steady head that won't lose its grip on matters in the middle of a fray.

Try them all out... seen wizzes using all of them but the 'meta' is fireball

[Xarko]

They increased damage of the beamblast in return so you should be using it actively instead of just beaming stuff to death slowly.

You can use all of them now, but for me the fireball is the most fun.

[MackaBaer]

i tryed them all and fireball seems to be the best atm.
the one i use has bloodlust, hail of doom and stability on it...
it feels a bit like cheating when used to cleare hords. makes conflagration pointless due to the slow charging.

[Jaffa]

Cool, thanks for the advice.

[Jaffa]

Oh, one more thing, what perks are the best for a wizzard staff/sword ?

[MackaBaer]

Originally posted by MackaBaer:

the one i use has bloodlust, hail of doom and stability on it...

i love it!

wizzard sword:
bloodlust + berserk + earthing rune (normal)

some might say that you need dev.blow but i prefer this traits.

[Fenrii]

Hmn, honestly all staffs are in an "ok" place at the moment. But conflagion staff needs more tweaking as it feels very underwhelming after 1.5 compared to the rest, fireball staff practically took its place as a crowd control weapon.

[Dwarflord]

Originally posted by MackaBaer:

Originally posted by MackaBaer:

the one i use has bloodlust, hail of doom and stability on it...

i love it!

wizzard sword:
bloodlust + berserk + earthing rune (normal)

some might say that you need dev.blow but i prefer this traits.

Normal (non-flaming) BW Sword
Bloodlust
Earthing Rune (Charged, because the charged attack is awesome now and hits tons of targets for lots of chances to vent)
Anything to help with pushing or blocking (dev blow/perfect balance/imp pommel/etc)

[Kyrial]

Originally posted by Xarko:

They increased damage of the beamblast in return so you should be using it actively instead of just beaming stuff to death slowly.

You can use all of them now, but for me the fireball is the most fun.

The beam blast was not buffed in 1.5

Originally posted by MackaBaer:

i tryed them all and fireball seems to be the best atm.
the one i use has bloodlust, hail of doom and stability on it...
it feels a bit like cheating when used to cleare hords. makes conflagration pointless due to the slow charging.

Originally posted by MackaBaer:

i tryed them all and fireball seems to be the best atm.
the one i use has bloodlust, hail of doom and stability on it...
it feels a bit like cheating when used to cleare hords. makes conflagration pointless due to the slow charging.

The best for doing FF Then. The fireball is still a garbage due to the low speed of the charge attack. And pls dont use this falacious argument of "crowd killer", when rats are too close you are pointless or burning your friends the crap out. Beam ans conflag are more usefull and avoiding ff is 100% much easier.

The conflag staff is awesome and the firepatch is deadly. The beam staff is an AiO staff and still the best staff for every situation.

[Lunethex]

The Fireball will be a meta for some people, but Conflagration and Beam are sitting pretty above it, agreed. Bolt Staff now has its niche as a special targeter and requires a proper degree of skill to use effectively.

But anybody can pick up the Beam and Conflagration staves and do well.

[Robin]

Originally posted by Lunethex:

Bolt Staff now has its niche as a special targeter and requires a proper degree of skill to use effectively.

I like the bolt staff on wheat and chaff due to it's ease in killing stormvermin and specials at higher difficulty levels.

[Horoai]

^ Agreed.

Originally posted by Kyrial:

The conflag staff is awesome and the firepatch is deadly. The beam staff is an AiO staff and still the best staff for every situation.

Which reminds me to tell you your sheet is missing any information on how deadly exactly the firepatch is. I couldn't find it anyway.

But I have to disagree based on my gameplay experience. Sure FF is easier to avoid with all other staves but the fireball staff is simply the most deadly ranged weapon right now. The conflag staff is it's low damage, high crowd control version which is also easier to use. However, the problem with conflag is that it kicks rats in all directions if you place your geysers where they hurt the most and the outer ring doesn't even kill slave rats with the dot (it did in 1.5 beta and that was awesome).
3-4 quick charge fireballs can kill an entire wave, any special or multiple stormrats and you don't even overheat casting them. I'm not good enough with the beam staff to compare though.

[Kyrial]

Originally posted by Robin:

Originally posted by Lunethex:

Bolt Staff now has its niche as a special targeter and requires a proper degree of skill to use effectively.

I like the bolt staff on wheat and chaff due to it's ease in killing stormvermin and specials at higher difficulty levels.

Hey.

I want your enlightment on this :
https://steamcommunity.com/app/235540/discussions/1/152392549355180668/

And for the bolt staff... well, its a special killer, no contest on that. But he totally lose his ability in wave cleaver, since you cant perform anymore a single headshot. Even you can only perform one HS for the same amount of heat will made this staff more usefull.

For now, Last Stand is now horrible to play, since the Bolt Staff cant resplenish stamina anymore. The only viable option is the conflagration staff for the stormvermins rush, but you also blur the screen of your shields. Its kinda horrible.

Originally posted by Yggdrasil:

Originally posted by Kyrial:

The conflag staff is awesome and the firepatch is deadly. The beam staff is an AiO staff and still the best staff for every situation.

Which reminds me to tell you your sheet is missing any information on how deadly exactly the firepatch is. I couldn't find it anyway.

But I have to disagree based on my gameplay experience. Sure FF is easier to avoid with all other staves but the fireball staff is simply the most deadly ranged weapon right now. The conflag staff is it's low damage, high crowd control version which is also easier to use. However, the problem with conflag is that it kicks rats in all directions if you place your geysers where they hurt the most and the outer ring doesn't even kill slave rats with the dot (it did in 1.5 beta and that was awesome).
3-4 quick charge fireballs can kill an entire wave, any special or multiple stormrats and you don't even overheat casting them. I'm not good enough with the beam staff to compare though.

Yeah, somes friends told me the same thing today. I'm on my way to add the damages values on the ranged spreadsheet in the next hour. (can be in 30min) I was on my way to do so. :p

For the point of the power of the FB.. if the rats are enough far from you... yes you can deal with them... but when they are at close range, you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥. And all his power dont compensate the fact that the staff is less usefull against specials than the conflag or the beam (or the bolt).

In all map with defensive/run event at the end, the FB is totally useless, and when you are in a chokepoint/corner, this staff deals more dmg to your allies than rats.

[Fenrii]

Originally posted by Robin:

Originally posted by Lunethex:

Bolt Staff now has its niche as a special targeter and requires a proper degree of skill to use effectively.

I like the bolt staff on wheat and chaff due to it's ease in killing stormvermin and specials at higher difficulty levels.

I end up using the primary attack of bolt staff more often than the secondary and I like it. :)
But conflagion needs some love, the 1.5 patch made it weaker than it was before. The full charge effect does not justify the overcharge cost and you cannot deal DOT damage on any level of charge except full charge now... not to mention friendly fire rules it out as potential surrounded teammate protection goto staff as "everyone" whines even about the littlest ammounts of friendly fire.

[Kyrial]

Originally posted by StarScribe:

Originally posted by Robin:

I like the bolt staff on wheat and chaff due to it's ease in killing stormvermin and specials at higher difficulty levels.

I end up using the primary attack of bolt staff more often than the secondary and I like it. :)
But conflagion needs some love, the 1.5 patch made it weaker than it was before. The full charge effect does not justify the overcharge cost and you cannot deal DOT damage on any level of charge except full charge now... not to mention friendly fire rules it out as potential surrounded teammate protection goto staff as "everyone" whines even about the littlest ammounts of friendly fire.

The Conflag Staff is a perfect monster. When peoples will start to learn and use properly a staff and understand the purpose of a weapon/staff. Its not because you cant OS a stormvermin in cata with a staff its mean the staff is weak. The Conflaration staff is designed for an heavy crowd control support, look a little to the staff, the area, the damages and the ability. The AoE works in the same way as a fire grenade. And what a fire grenades do ? Changind path of the rats. And btw, if you are a little clever, you charge your AoE before the ambush, and since, in1.5, rats spawns more faster and more packed... Charge the AoE, wait 5sec, relase > no more swarm/ambush, and faster than any weapons in this game can perform.

And the FF on the Conflag staff only performs when your mate is in the first radius of the area (25% of the total radius of the current area you cast) so, in little/spammed AoE, you CANT perform FF.