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Mogg 2016 年 12 月 14 日 上午 4:09
lol "Added Auto-aim support when playing with controller "
You know a game is not meant for consoles when an aim-bot is requried to play or a game feature for poor control devices for this genre XD.

I'm no leetist, but it's funny when people can't play as good as someone else because of their choice of control device. You don't eat soup with a knife, nor do you steer a car with your feet.
You are, though, more than welcome to look like an idiot and try.

My issue, where's the aim-bot for mouse and keyboard users? Fair is fair. XD
最后由 Mogg 编辑于; 2016 年 12 月 14 日 上午 4:12
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Mike 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 12:27 
Controllers in shooters with aim bot is not playing the game, its watching the game play for you while you point it in the general direction what you want to watch. I dont call that gaming really, more like watching a movie but with some control
Rob Senpai 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 12:43 
Mogg (The OP) has several games with controller aim assist and isn't complaining in their forums.
Foolwolf 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 12:46 
I'm hesitant saying this is dumb, but on the other hand we have a guy in our clan that plays BF4 with a controller, no aim-bot, and he is a damned good at it. So, make more people able to enjoy things the way they like it!
Osawa Ascendant 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 12:58 
B-b-b-but gais I deserve to have all of the rewards and progression even if I don't have the skill wtf r u talking about have u seen all of my participation trophies??????????? :(
peremptor 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 1:57 
引用自 myrothe
引用自 peremptor

How do console gamers manage it then? All their FPS stuff has aim assist.
Because on consoles there is a huge deadzone on your gamepad which makes control awkward, so aim assist "helps" (though I always turn it off if possible). I am not sure why there is such a huge deadzone on console gamepads but there is. However On pc you can easilly remove it. You would be suprised how much more precise control becomes with that very simple tweak. X360ce allows you to tweak all sorts of settings, so I turn deadzone completely off and eureka! Massive improvement. For instance I play Overwatch with my gamepad and more than hold my own. When I tell people I am using a gamepad they usually call BS.

On Vermintide I am usually the one to beat everyone to the punch when headshotting specials, I def do not feel "held back" by using a gamepad.

One of my friends was here on steam forums one day ranting about how inferior gamepads are are telling one user "Use your gamepad if you want but just dont play in my group, i'm not going to be carrying you". I laughed and told him "Um, just so you know I have been using a gamepad all along, and I remember carrying your ass more than a few times" and his reply was "Seriously?"

I think gamepads have a bad reutation as being clunky, but all it takes are a few simple tweaks to make them more than adequite

Exactly. Maybe you could play even better on M&K if you wanted but if you're already awesome and comfortable with a gamepad... that's great. Even if you aren't that's great too as long as you're having fun.
Visi 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 3:21 
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, how pathetic can one person be? "I'm no leetist, but let me go on to say a bunch of ignorant elitist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥."

Lovely superiority complex there, champ.
Hunkulees 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 7:25 
引用自 peremptor
引用自 myrothe
Because on consoles there is a huge deadzone on your gamepad which makes control awkward, so aim assist "helps" (though I always turn it off if possible). I am not sure why there is such a huge deadzone on console gamepads but there is. However On pc you can easilly remove it. You would be suprised how much more precise control becomes with that very simple tweak. X360ce allows you to tweak all sorts of settings, so I turn deadzone completely off and eureka! Massive improvement. For instance I play Overwatch with my gamepad and more than hold my own. When I tell people I am using a gamepad they usually call BS.

On Vermintide I am usually the one to beat everyone to the punch when headshotting specials, I def do not feel "held back" by using a gamepad.

One of my friends was here on steam forums one day ranting about how inferior gamepads are are telling one user "Use your gamepad if you want but just dont play in my group, i'm not going to be carrying you". I laughed and told him "Um, just so you know I have been using a gamepad all along, and I remember carrying your ass more than a few times" and his reply was "Seriously?"

I think gamepads have a bad reutation as being clunky, but all it takes are a few simple tweaks to make them more than adequite

Exactly. Maybe you could play even better on M&K if you wanted but if you're already awesome and comfortable with a gamepad... that's great. Even if you aren't that's great too as long as you're having fun.
Exactly, it's all about fun. At least it should be. If we are dedicating huge amounts of time to gaming it should be because we love it and are enjoying it. If we aren't having a good time then what are we even doing it for?
Hunkulees 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 7:34 
I know that mouse and keyboard can give you extreme precision, and that's important to a lot of people when they are in to competitive shooters. However what I like about gamepads is the level of control you have over movement. It feels more realistic, more immersive to me. The more I can feel like I am in the game the more I enjoy it. And I've used gamepads so long and gotten so acclimated to them that I can aim proficiently enough to not feel like I am sacrificing anything.

Gamepads feel natural to me, keyboards do not. It all comes down to what you prefer. It's really a non issue. Spend enough time and you can master whatever control method you choose. It should all be secondary anyway. Gaming and having a good time are the ultimate goal. why sweat the small stuff
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EQOAnostalgia 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 7:38 
引用自 Mogg
You know a game is not meant for consoles when an aim-bot is requried to play or a game feature for poor control devices for this genre XD.

I'm no leetist, but it's funny when people can't play as good as someone else because of their choice of control device. You don't eat soup with a knife, nor do you steer a car with your feet.
You are, though, more than welcome to look like an idiot and try.

My issue, where's the aim-bot for mouse and keyboard users? Fair is fair. XD
OP you're kind of a ♥♥♥♥ lol. I use mouse and KB but you're definitely being elitist here so don't try to pretend otherwise.
Mogg 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 8:35 
Holy smokes, I went to bed at around 1am and suddenly there's 33 new messages. Time for some reading.
K 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 8:36 
Playing FPS games with a controller is just plain wrong.
peremptor 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 9:44 
引用自 K
Playing FPS games with a controller is just plain wrong.

I didn't know any better when I played goldeneye 64. I was too young and dumb to realize how much it sucked... I ACTUALLY LIKED IT :wdbscratch:
Mogg 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 9:45 
引用自 myrothe
However On pc you can easilly remove it. You would be suprised how much more precise control becomes with that very simple tweak. X360ce allows you to tweak all sorts of settings, so I turn deadzone completely off and eureka! Massive improvement.

On consoles they are clunky. Inferior to a K+M on computers. Not being elitist, it's just how they are made (which sucks, but I guess there must be some kind of reasoning for the limitation, one which boggles my mind). I never knew you could adjust them to be better on a PC. You need to teach me since it would help playing games like dark souls and the like (where the tacked on K+M option is absolutey garbage). Is it in the software that usually comes with the gamepad? I've nothing against playing with people who use controllers, but damn it if they are given any kind of advantage I can't benefit from.


引用自 Grimmrog_SIG
The modern times is about finding solutions for problems caused by modern times instead of just avoiding the problems form the beginning of the design. Thats why we get soups with huge chunks of meat now instead of spoons.

I think that's why sporks came about. A combination of spoon and fork for those soups that have chunks in them. They are really wierd things. I mean you could just as easily just scoop up the bits with a spoon XD



引用自 Fitfit
Saying a controller is a pleb tier input device is retar*ded (this word was censored seriously). I know people who would kick your @ss* with a controller. Without assists.

Being skilled and not full of poop* does not have anything to do with the input device, the power of your computer, or the premium content you can buy.

There are assists everywhere on every game nowadays. People are too poopy* to finish a hard game, therefore the new "hard" difficulty is the old easy.

Every game gets watered down/assisted

Just look at BF1 for example.

* used where words were censored.

Yeah. I've seen some incredibley skilled players using gamepads. I was part trolling in my original comment if that wasn't obvious.
Skill is limited by devices you choose to use. You'll notice that you can do far better with accuracy and timing when you aren't held back by clunky controls, dips in frames per second, lag, etc. No matter how much skill you have, if your game is running choppy and your controller isn't reacting as needed you aren't going to do well.
On the note of games getting "dumbed down" for mainstream, there are occurances where developers don't cater to the general public. You are forgetting though, developers are trying to make a living off the work they put in, so making their games as available as possible gets them that.



引用自 D2Synua
OP has clearly never played a shooter on console before.
A few titles I've played to completion or near completion where shooting was a part of:
I will have missed quite a number of titles since I've played a lot of games across platforms.

(Gamecube) Hunter: The Reckoning, Eternal Darkness - Sanity's Requiem

(n64) Conker's Bad Fur Day

(xbox) Halo: Combat Evolved, Brute Force, Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy

(psp) Phantasy Star Portable, 3rd Birthday, Monster Hunter Freedom Unite

(ps) Parasite Eve 2, Metal Gear Solid

(ps2) Spy vs Spy, Destroy All Humans!, Fatal Frame, Fatal Frame 2: Crimson Butterfly
---------side note: Time Crisis 3 and End Game I use a gun

(ps3) Valkyria Chronicles, Asura's Wrath, Bayonetta, Aliens vs Predator, The Last Of Us, Condemned 2 - Bloodshot, Demon's Souls, Resonance of Fate, all three Uncharted games, Vanquished, Warhammer 40000 - Kill Team, Vampire Rain - Altered Species

(DS) Custom Robo Arena

(3DS) Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate

(Wii) The House of The Dead Overkill, Red Steel 2, Resident Evil - The Umbrella Chronicals
---------side note: still a console even though I used the mote and where applicable nunchuck

(pc) Gal Gun: Double Peace, Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition, Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin
---------side note: used gamepad because K+M implementation was garbage

Hope that sates your curiosity.


*edited for spelling/grammer
最后由 Mogg 编辑于; 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 10:11
Mogg 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 9:50 
引用自 EQOAnostalgia
OP you're kind of a ♥♥♥♥ lol. I use mouse and KB but you're definitely being elitist here so don't try to pretend otherwise.

I was trolling for most part. The whole 'pc master race' bs.
But it brought a great deal of conversation which was awesome. Some flaming and some quite informative. The informative ones were my inteded goal, but naturally I was going to get backlash for being a ♥♥♥♥. Sometimes, it's the only way to get some awesome discussions going. ;)

I own a lot of platforms. While I do think consoles are lesser computers (it is obvious they can't do everything a pc or mac could accomplish) they are effective at doing what they are intended to do. I own a few of them with quite a library of games for each, so to say I dislike them would be incorrect. Some games I personally feel are just better on a particular system given the intended controls you use with them. I personally don't like button mashing arcade games on a PC that has so many buttons with a limiter on how many you can have held down at any one time. On that same note, I don't like games where precision and reaction time together are needed on a console since a gamepad just doesn't have that right amount of control for me.
最后由 Mogg 编辑于; 2016 年 12 月 14 日 下午 9:58
iktomi sakala 2016 年 12 月 15 日 上午 1:12 
引用自 Mogg
I was trolling for most part. The whole 'pc master race' bs.
But it brought a great deal of conversation which was awesome. Some flaming and some quite informative. The informative ones were my inteded goal, but naturally I was going to get backlash for being a ♥♥♥♥. Sometimes, it's the only way to get some awesome discussions going. ;)

Hahaha, it's been a long time I didn't see such a post-justification (pretty poor) based on an obviously unexpected result. xD
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