Playing with mods/cheats

[Myrmidon]

Not advocating or suggesting it. I would just like to hear peoples responses to a simple question.

If people could play in lobbies with mods/cheats enabled and those lobbies as a result had Loot, Experience and Achievements disabled could anyone make a valid argument that they are in any way getting ahead of everyone else in any way at all?

I don't use either but I do find it curious why some people get bashed so heavily for using meaningless stuff like graphical mods which have absolutely no bearing on the games mechanics and in no way make gameplay any easier or harder.

[Free Luigi M.]

Malakai a écrit :

Sigh, I'm going to try to be pretty civil this time.

Joe. Sarcasm is not for everybody. SneakyPanda's comment was a sarcasm on the general mood. So was mine. Try reading it once again if you wish. And try reading a thread from the start if you want to comment in it. You won't miss what someone said earlier that way,

This back n' forth is clearly getting childish. You have to accept you're not an authority on humor or sarcasm. Neither am i. You are not here to educate anyone. All here are grown up. Maybe my 'clumsy joke' was not meant for you, ok. Maybe you have a better sense of humor.

And just because someone has made a mod does not make him a hacker and dismissing everything he say's to be false is just deluding yourself. Modding does require skills, you know. Ever heard of Durante? He is the man responsible for making Dark Souls 1 playable on PC. Ask anyone whos played DarkSouls on PC about him. And now studios are officially asking for his help. People originally called his GeDoSaTo a cheat too. Just saying.

Also, from your last comment, assuming how anyone behaves in real life judging from his internet comments is pretty childish. It is the last refuge when you have nothing better to reply. I don't like to engage in this kind of flame war and thus refrain from posting in many gameplay related threads, even if they interest me. I mostly keep to lore threads and problem threads. If you can't contribute anything meaningful to a thread, i suggest you don't post either.

Thank you and have a nice day. And i'm sorry for engaging with you in this...whatever it is. It is clearly derailing this thread. Please don't take it personally. And feel free to continue with this if you want. I wish you all the luck.

Jesus Christ.

[peremptor]

Joe Chip a écrit :

Malakai a écrit :

FFS! Does nobody read the above posts i made about what SweetFX does before commenting.

Fine! Using the modified SweetFX file 2 days ago has helped me gain so much advantage i cannot describe. Enemies are now highlighted even before i load the map. I just have to select the map name in the inn and it shows where the enemies are and where items are placed. I can now just look at the ogre and it runs away screaming. Packmasters, dont make me laugh. They now hook the rats instead of me. The gas thrown by the globe rats is now instead a shower of roses. I get upto 200 grims in a mission instead of 2. The Elf and Salty no longer make sarcastic remarks and everyone is like one big happy family. I can now choose Franz Lohner, Olesya, Okri and the Shark shown at the Fatshark logo as companions. Olesya carries a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ chainsaw and Lohner a freaking Heavy Bolter. Stormvermin patrols now shine from 50 miles away like the armpits of Sigmar himself! Items fall at my feet like dust. Whites, blues, reds, greens, yellow, brown, magenta, i have them all. My inventory is like a freaking rainbow!

There! See how much advantage i have over you noobs because i've used the graphics file. Discipline, whats that? Thats for plebs. Deal with it!

The only advantage you needed was a good sense of humor. Shame the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ can't give you that.

Haha nice. Look if you cheat go for it but if you get caught and fatshark decides to reset your progress (doubtful doesnt matter that much in this type of game) that's the risk you take. I'm sure some can use cheat engine to just spawn enemies to fight and do other cool stuff and not do anything to 'facilitate' the aquisition of in game stuff but as others have said in this thread if you are outright cheating and giving yourself 7 grims and auto completing missions and the like... keep it private.

[Malakai]

peremptor a écrit :

Haha nice. Look if you cheat go for it but if you get caught and fatshark decides to reset your progress (doubtful doesnt matter that much in this type of game) that's the risk you take. I'm sure some can use cheat engine to just spawn enemies to fight and do other cool stuff and not do anything to 'facilitate' the aquisition of in game stuff but as others have said in this thread if you are outright cheating and giving yourself 7 grims and auto completing missions and the like... keep it private.

Nah man, i've just applied a SweetFX setting. It modifies the colours, lighting and such. And does nothing more. No transparency, enemy spotting etc. Just makes the textures sharper, if you will. And i'm using no other mod like Lupo's. However, if Fatshark decides i'm cheating by using the SweetFX file then i will have to uninstall it. Thats what i wanted to know in this thread. Because the Op has asked the same question.

[grasmann]

You guys really have nothing better to do right?
How can you be so upset about other people using mods in a coop game?

If you're so against cheating and mods I can offer to implement a harcoded ban for you guys.
So, you get kicked instantly from every modded game. ;P
I'm just kidding of course, although it's totally possible.

Or why don't you just play with your friends then?
What is your intention here?
Spoil the fun for everybody else because you don't like mods?

We're actually thinking about ways to protect people from the cheats btw.

[Randy Marsh]

ChickenBalls a écrit :

Randy Marsh a écrit :

you obviously didn't see the post above yourr where i caved in to the dark side, also for reference, if you THINK i sawed off my jimmy, you don't know anything about cṏck magic, also- for the record, just like i told Sharon, I only got a little bit of cancer, ok?

Of course I don't know nothing about c ock magic because I didn't got kicked out of the college because of it.
Yeah and well your jimmy ALMOST flew off because your excessive beer drinking...
and you jacked off in a trailer and blamed it on ghosts not to mention YOU were responsible for the gentrification of the town of South Park and built a bunch of sht for rich snobs at Kenny's house
but to be fair you did gave Sharon a very nice leather coat made from your balls
so at least you are a caring and loving husband

You really know how to hold a grude don't you!! That's ok, i KNOW you listen to Lorde on Spotify, so idc, keep paying me.

[Randy Marsh]

grasmann a écrit :

You guys really have nothing better to do right?
How can you be so upset about other people using mods in a coop game?

If you're so against cheating and mods I can offer to implement a harcoded ban for you guys.
So, you get kicked instantly from every modded game. ;P
I'm just kidding of course, although it's totally possible.

Or why don't you just play with your friends then?
What is your intention here?
Spoil the fun for everybody else because you don't like mods?

We're actually thinking about ways to protect people from the cheats btw.

If you could make a mod that insta-hardbans anyone using cheats from playing with me, and makes it so private games can stay private, I would happily use that if it doesn't hardban me for using SweetFX, because now I'm using it, and it's glorious!

[peremptor]

Malakai a écrit :

peremptor a écrit :

Haha nice. Look if you cheat go for it but if you get caught and fatshark decides to reset your progress (doubtful doesnt matter that much in this type of game) that's the risk you take. I'm sure some can use cheat engine to just spawn enemies to fight and do other cool stuff and not do anything to 'facilitate' the aquisition of in game stuff but as others have said in this thread if you are outright cheating and giving yourself 7 grims and auto completing missions and the like... keep it private.

Nah man, i've just applied a SweetFX setting. It modifies the colours, lighting and such. And does nothing more. No transparency, enemy spotting etc. Just makes the textures sharper, if you will. And i'm using no other mod like Lupo's. However, if Fatshark decides i'm cheating by using the SweetFX file then i will have to uninstall it. Thats what i wanted to know in this thread. Because the Op has asked the same question.

Oh I'm talking about the cheat engine stuff. A lot of games use that SweetFX stuff and yeah I can see how it could be used to highlight say enemy team players in multiplayer games (maybe no idea never used it) but for this game I don't see any issues like those especially with the default settings that just affect graphical fidelity.

That it might use the same type of method to alter the game as the cheats do though... who knows. Would it get you vac banned if you tried using SweetFX on say CSGO? I was going to use it for Watchdogs but I never got back to playing that game haha.

[Randy Marsh]

peremptor a écrit :

Malakai a écrit :

Nah man, i've just applied a SweetFX setting. It modifies the colours, lighting and such. And does nothing more. No transparency, enemy spotting etc. Just makes the textures sharper, if you will. And i'm using no other mod like Lupo's. However, if Fatshark decides i'm cheating by using the SweetFX file then i will have to uninstall it. Thats what i wanted to know in this thread. Because the Op has asked the same question.

Oh I'm talking about the cheat engine stuff. A lot of games use that SweetFX stuff and yeah I can see how it could be used to highlight say enemy team players in multiplayer games (maybe no idea never used it) but for this game I don't see any issues like those especially with the default settings that just affect graphical fidelity.

That it might use the same type of method to alter the game as the cheats do though... who knows. Would it get you vac banned if you tried using SweetFX on say CSGO? I was going to use it for Watchdogs but I never got back to playing that game haha.

It depends on if the game is VAC secured, lotta this stuff uses injectors, which flag in VAC on any secured games.

[Malakai]

grasmann a écrit :

You guys really have nothing better to do right?
How can you be so upset about other people using mods in a coop game?

If you're so against cheating and mods I can offer to implement a harcoded ban for you guys.
So, you get kicked instantly from every modded game. ;P
I'm just kidding of course, although it's totally possible.

Or why don't you just play with your friends then?
What is your intention here?
Spoil the fun for everybody else because you don't like mods?

We're actually thinking about ways to protect people from the cheats btw.

I'm not upset about anyone using anything in the game. And though i'm not using it, i do appreciate the features your mod provides. I've seen people talking about it and most impressed about things like Saltzpyre bot, Bots taking grims, better a.i etc.

Though i don't know a single word about coding, i do understand the hard work involved in creating something like that. That some people use it to ruin the fun for others is their problem. That does not take away the usefulness of your mod. How people use it is upto them.

I like mods. You can't be a PC Gamer and dislike mods. Ofc, speaking for myself only. Take any long running PC game and you can see it is still popular because of custom user made content. There may be exceptions. Whatever others may say, i'll say continue on your work. And do try to get in touch with the devs. There may be a lot of healthy information which can be gained by both sides without any bias. Good luck on your work.

I just curious about people calling SweetFX settings a cheat. And the responses here have certainly revealed a lot about the general attitude. And please take no notice of my exchange with JoeChip. It was a stupid thing i should not have gotten into the 1st place and i apologise for that. I know things like that derail a thread.

Randy Marsh a écrit :

I would happily use that if it doesn't hardban me for using SweetFX, because now I'm using it, and it's glorious!

Nice to hear someone else is enjoying it too. Would like to hear your experience and please do say if you feel it is giving you any sort of advantage in the game which is not possible by default. People here are saying so much that its a cheating and gives you unfair advantage that i feel someone else who is using it too should provide opinions.

[Malakai]

peremptor a écrit :

Would it get you vac banned if you tried using SweetFX on say CSGO? I was going to use it for Watchdogs but I never got back to playing that game haha.

I don't play much CSGO but
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/2r0epw/has_anyone_ever_been_vac_banned_because_of_sweetfx/

http://www.hltv.org/forum/667242-sweetfx-bannable

https://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/864977025749241499/?l=english

All these threads are very old. I dont know the current status.This question would be better asked in the CSGO forums. I think Valve would be pretty strict if it's considered a cheat. I dont want you to get banned bcos of my advice :)

[peremptor]

Hey that reddit link mentions VibranceGUI and how it works similarly to SweetFX by using innate Nvidia card settings to ehance colors.

[Malakai]

Yep it does, but i've no idea abt it. Like i said, my CSGO record is negligible, hardly played it. much less tinker with the settings

[KEV1N]

grasmann a écrit :

You guys really have nothing better to do right?

That's rich.

[pandu]

This whole stigma of "omg ur dirty cheaters" is only going to fall away if you stop providing a mod pack that contains blatant cheats present in it. Even if improved bots mod stays in, people are still going to white knight and point fingers because its a challenging game and there is a lot of pride that goes along earning loot or cata completion. Still, removing all the truly blatant crap like spawning grims/tomes/badges/items, spawning/despawning enemies, god mode, etc would be a step in the right direction.

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grasmann a écrit :

...
How can you be so upset about other people using mods in a coop game?
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complete game with 7 grims != mod.