Shek Challenge

[stuguy909]

I love that the warrior race, the Shek, love to test their mettle and challenge the player even if it means his own demise. The problem with it is that if a Shek warrior wants to test his meddle and is part of a patrol, his entire patrol joins in on the fun and it becomes a bandit raid, not an honor duel. I have a pretty strong warrior that could easily beat one shek warrior, but 10 of them? Granted, in another import file I have, I can kill anything and everything, but for beginning to mid game, this is a problem for players trying to navigate the Shek kingdom.

edit:
I also lost and was assigned a 500 bounty for assault. If that's intentional for being a loser in the Shek kingdom, that's funny and makes sense actually, but if it was unintended, Shek warriors shouldn't place bounty on my soldiers that hit them if they are the aggressor.

[Nadlug]

Thats the one, and only one risk you take living in Shek territoreis. It happens very rearely but they do pick fights that your not likely to win if your new. You should survive though so theres that at least.

As for the bounty. seems like a bug or unintended behavior. So long as they strike first the player should not be considered comiting a crime.

[Erei]

I think it will be eventually part of faction interaction and is still WIP. It's likely that winning those challenge will earn you some rep.

I know there are dialogues planned to earn rep when you bring some bounties to specific leaders. Like the Bugmaster to Esata. She basically say she is impressed, and make you honorary Invincible.

Currently those dialogues are disabled ingame, and in the FCS their only trigger is the rep.

[Baron Von Hotpocket]

Its funny when you become stong enough to kill them outright in your duel, and subsequently cripple a majority of the guards that come to attack you. With your bare hands.

[stuguy909]

Originally posted by Baron Von Hotpocket:

Its funny when you become stong enough to kill them outright in your duel, and subsequently cripple a majority of the guards that come to attack you. With your bare hands.

LOL. I know the feeling. However, by that time I have that much skill, I feel compelled to start over because the game becomes too easy. I like a challenge and enjoy playing out a challengin story. When I accomplish a lot of my goals and become too powerful, or have too much money and people, I have to start a new game.

[Arran Chace]

Originally posted by stuguy909:

Originally posted by Baron Von Hotpocket:

Its funny when you become stong enough to kill them outright in your duel, and subsequently cripple a majority of the guards that come to attack you. With your bare hands.

LOL. I know the feeling. However, by that time I have that much skill, I feel compelled to start over because the game becomes too easy. I like a challenge and enjoy playing out a challengin story. When I accomplish a lot of my goals and become too powerful, or have too much money and people, I have to start a new game.

I need those strong warriors ;-) so many HN patrols to exterminate, as this is my endgoal..
Conquer the HN nation and enslave them so they see the light (and leave my womans alone)

[|$m0k!n| - El Novato -]

About the bounty i would let it the way it is, and i would extend it to the shrek warriors on patrol that did the unprovoked attack. Also that could be a theme, if they are on duty and break the rules on patrol, they should be out of the patrol becoming *ronins* *Criminals* * unemployes* anyway.

[Sarkin]

Originally posted by |$m0k!n| - El Novato -:

About the bounty i would let it the way it is, and i would extend it to the shrek warriors on patrol that did the unprovoked attack. Also that could be a theme, if they are on duty and break the rules on patrol, they should be out of the patrol becoming *ronins* *Criminals* * unemployes* anyway.

They aren't breaking rules thou. its part of Shek culture. they are warriors testing their skills in combat is what they do. if they see someone strong they challenge them.

[Aurelia]

Frankly, i'm surprised shek place bounties at all. Judging by what i understand of them: "Placing bounties are for cowards". It would probably just be seen as paying someone else to do their own dirty work.. shameful. Doesn't seem like a shek kind of thing to me :\

Regardless of that though, It's my guess that the bounty in this specific case would be a flukey bug.

I've not experienced the this shek gameplay yet, so not entirely sure how this is going down.

[Temper]

I'm currently disliked by the Shek due to this racial mechanic.But that's ok because I'm also currently disliked by half the known factions in game due to qirks/bugs/glitches and the inability to partake in any sort of diplomacy with anyone bar the HN.

It's just as well *trade economics* is not a *thing* in Kenshi. lol =P

Edit: But Meh ! The Holy Nation love me and that's all that matters. heheh ;/

[Aurelia]

Originally posted by Temper:

Edit: But Meh ! The Holy Nation love me and that's all that matters. heheh ;/

Maybe that's why everyone else hates you ;p

[stuguy909]

Originally posted by Luminaire:

Frankly, i'm surprised shek place bounties at all. Judging by what i understand of them: "Placing bounties are for cowards". It would probably just be seen as paying someone else to do their own dirty work.. shameful. Doesn't seem like a shek kind of thing to me :\

I'm sure the Stone Golem realizes that she and her Shek warriors cannot be everywhere at once. Should someone dishonor the clan and escape punishment, bounties would be a useful tool to incentivize honorable warriors to go out of their way and carry out the Queen's justice. Not all the Shek do things for browny points. The recruits are quite telling about their noble lords, whom are all too eager to get rid of excess peasants in favor of coin.

[Aurelia]

Originally posted by stuguy909:

Originally posted by Luminaire:

Frankly, i'm surprised shek place bounties at all. Judging by what i understand of them: "Placing bounties are for cowards". It would probably just be seen as paying someone else to do their own dirty work.. shameful. Doesn't seem like a shek kind of thing to me :\

I'm sure the Stone Golem realizes that she and her Shek warriors cannot be everywhere at once. Should someone dishonor the clan and escape punishment, bounties would be a useful tool to incentivize honorable warriors to go out of their way and carry out the Queen's justice. Not all the Shek do things for browny points. The recruits are quite telling about their noble lords, whom are all too eager to get rid of excess peasants in favor of coin.

That is certainly one way of looking at it, but if there's a time where a bounty is to ever be placed, there is certainly a shek there in the moment to see/experience the reason for the bounty to be there, and it's more than likely them who will be placing it.

In every society though, you will still have those underdogs that either don't make it, or they'll leave those things to others. Just like those little kenshians that wash their faces, and clip their nails in a world where it seems completely pointless to do so.

I still don't know that bounties should exist in the shek kingdom, but I guess it's not too farfetched that it could.

[Shidan]

Maybe they'll eventually get some dialog to explain it, similar to the HN.

When you turn in a bounty to them, they instantly seem to assume that you're doing it out of the goodness of your heart and in service of Okran, and don't even offer you the money. If you ask about the reward, they'll reluctantly give it to you. Usually accompanied by a remark about the greed of outsiders or something.

A similar kind of dialog could easily explain bounties in Shek culture. :)

[stuguy909]

I have mostly played shek characters since I got back into Kenshi. I love warrior races, especially those untrusting to outsiders. It reminds me of Klingons in Star Trek, but, with swords instead of stealth ships.

In fact, I think Sheks and Klingons are a great comparisson, if not a direct one. They both have nobility, a form of a warrior caste system, warrior culture, and a necessity for money, power, and self worth. Most Klingons in Star Trek always want to rise above their present station, and that usually means beating someone in direct combat, or betraying them. Being around Shek in Kenshi makes me think that they want conquest, wealth, power, and advancement. Even the peasants want to get away, fight, gain honor, respect, and advance their current situation.

There is a lot of little things they say that add up to a big picture that leads me to believe this:

Rane the Giant wants 7500 Cats and she will not haggle because it is an insult to her worth / value as a warrior.

Sheks constantly complain about peasant work and want to fight. They feel that they are wasting away being peasant slaves instead of enjoying the benefits of conquering others in conquest.

Many of the generic recruits want to escape the peasant life of the Shek kingdom and must pay off the local lord and purchase their freedom. This tells me that fealty to lords in the Shek kingdom is common, and currency is a means of purchasing the rights to a Shek peasant, should he no longer be wanted.

The Shek traders are generally friendly to traders, some are...tolerant, though the peasants and warriors are not. In fact, the Shek gaurds tell you frequently, if you aren't a Shek, to "make it quick, trade and leave". This leads me to believe the Shek merchant caste / nobility desires commerce, and are desirous of wealth. One of the Merchant guild's nobles is a Shek female, and she is very addicted to lavish life, if you ever talk with her, you will want to choke her.

So the point of all this is that the Shek upper class is very in the loop of money and power. Honor is for suckers. Bounties make perfect sense when people prove themselves too allusive or dangerous for normal apprehension.

[Erei]

Originally posted by Luminaire:

Frankly, i'm surprised shek place bounties at all. Judging by what i understand of them: "Placing bounties are for cowards". It would probably just be seen as paying someone else to do their own dirty work.. shameful. Doesn't seem like a shek kind of thing to me :\

Regardless of that though, It's my guess that the bounty in this specific case would be a flukey bug.

I've not experienced the this shek gameplay yet, so not entirely sure how this is going down.

It can be explained actually.
Esata is progressive for a Shek. In the blog it's mentioned she realize the Shek will go exctinct if they continue to do what they do. So her closest advisor is a poor fighter/clever Shek. She is still a traditionalist in her heart, she have a hard time with her own ideas, ironically, and that's why she have this advisor. To counterbalance her own way to do.Putting a bounty on a target too elusive/difficult to reach make sense then.
Now, they can be a warrior society, but it doesn't mean they are fools. To take the metaphor from another license's warrior culture, fighting the storm is not brave, it's foolish. A warrior knows when to fight, when to die, and when to retreat to fight another day. A fool give his life needlesly.


Also, bounties makes sense. It's a mark on a target, rewarding the one brave and strong enough to take it. IE rewarding the strong.

In fact, there are dialogues in the FCS for those 2 bounties (Bugmaster/Phoenyx). If you bring one of them to the Shek, Esata will have a unique dialogue where she will make you honorary hundred guardians. This dialogue is not in the game yet, but it's likely to be when factionalism is properly introduced.