Selling in your own town.

[Serge Crosser]

How does it work. Do I just make my town publick and put stuff in the large shop counter and then it does it automatically?

[Hatsune Neko Gaming]

make your town public.
setup a shop counter.
put in trade goods. weapons or Armour will not sell.
sit back and wait. you do not need to have someone running it.

[Serge Crosser]

awesome. thank you for the prompt answer :)

[Teralitha]

Why wont armor and weapons sell? And who is buying the goods? I havent set up a shop yet, but I wonder who exactly is going to buy your stuff when there are no traveling traders....

[Hatsune Neko Gaming]

because you could possibly put in swords and Armour you striped off bandits and such.
And the Dev doesnt want the player to sell them. High grade weapons and Armour sell for a extreme amount. so would unbalance the economy and the ease of how players get Cats right now. which is already really easy.

[Teralitha]

Bandit junk is practically worthless. I make all my money selling cooked meat, in the early days. Nothing else is as efficient and as profitable so far that ive seen. Sounds like we are not allowed to make money. The answer as to who would buy your stuff is still unanswered, and who would have the money TO buy it is another question.... The good stuff is pretty high priced. Why not have a dynamic market? The more you sell the price drops.

[Hatsune Neko Gaming]

traders and adventures guild
and no one would have the money to buy player created high end weapons and Armour.

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by HaTsUnE_NeKo:

traders and adventures guild
and no one would have the money to buy player created high end weapons and Armour.

Right, so why the worry about the player getting rich from it? Its a single player game... cmon. Why not have NPCs loot our money then.

[Hatsune Neko Gaming]

its part of how the game works.
And thats how the dev wants it, so thats how it is.

As for looting money, thats been discussed before, this is because all monies are in a general fund. So you dont just steal from one, you take from the entire faction.

Now the Dev has plans for money as a whole. Its listed on the trello web page for things they working on. but i dont have a full idea what he has planed as its labeled Money inventory system, which doesnt describe what its intended to do.

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by HaTsUnE_NeKo:

its part of how the game works.
And thats how the dev wants it, so thats how it is.

As for looting money, thats been discussed before, this is because all monies are in a general fund. So you dont just steal from one, you take from the entire faction.

Now the Dev has plans for money as a whole. Its listed on the trello web page for things they working on. but i dont have a full idea what he has planed as its labeled Money inventory system, which doesnt describe what its intended to do.

Right now, money doesnt have much purpose in the imo. You need some to hire people with. You need some to buy books and a few resources to get a outpost started. Then maybe a few blueprints. After that, what do you need it for? Once your outpost is up and running you can produce everything you need yourself. Items dont decay so there isnt a market for needing new gear. Repairing something costs nothing but time. And if you do get rich, what are you going to buy? Shouldnt your squad members have daily wages apart from a joining fee? I know I wouldnt devote my entire life to a squad for 700c and thats it... I would expect to get regular pay. And raises as my skills went up.

[Hatsune Neko Gaming]

Hire Mercenaries
they cost a lot to maintain.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=484464833

[Aurelia]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Bandit junk is practically worthless. I make all my money selling cooked meat, in the early days. Nothing else is as efficient and as profitable so far that ive seen. Sounds like we are not allowed to make money. The answer as to who would buy your stuff is still unanswered, and who would have the money TO buy it is another question.... The good stuff is pretty high priced. Why not have a dynamic market? The more you sell the price drops.

Weapons and armor are not trade goods. Their prices don't fluctuate to a point that any traveling trade caravan would waste their time with them. Travelling traders universally (not just Kenshi) look at common goods only for trading due to this, because they can be sure that they can be sold for profit where they are travelling.

As for adventurers though, it would be interesting if adventurers would buy armor and weapons, provided they could stock enough money for them. Since they are rarer, and wouldn't be buying en masse, (only for upgrades to their own equipment), it could actually help liven the world up.

[Teralitha]

Yes that would be good. In majesty, the more adventurers you had roaming around, the more commerce your kindom had. But, that would have to be balanced with the enemies... unless the adventurers also traveled in packs. Loners would just die.

Traveling traders yes would only be interested in commodities. But there is also demand for weapons and armor in a world like kenshi. If there wasnt, the guards would all be naked. There are different degrees of rusted and worn weapons in the game, it stands to reason that there would be a decay of sorts for all such things, and a need to replace with newer stuff, or consume resources and money to rejuvinate items at an armorer or weaponsmith. And resources to repair gates etc. Otherwise we would just have ever increasing stockpiles of stuff we dont need.

[Degasai]

Balancing combat is challenging. However, crafting and the economy are the most difficult features to design and balance...even in a single player game. Kenshi's developer and staff have good instincts. I have faith that they will build something outstanding. We need to try and help wherever we can, with suggestions and ideas for things like money sinks and balancing both how the player makes money and ongoing reasons to continue to do so.

I'll throw out a single idea, just for discussion:

In the current beta version, your player and his team are going to get their butts handed to them by every scripted enemy in the game world. Coming back into the settlements with half your team unconscious and being carried is pretty much normal (and also an incredibly refreshing dynamic). The costs of healing them are currently minimal. Just give everyone a good night's sleep and they're good to go.

What would you think of making it more expensive? Increase the bed rental? How about placing "doctors" in the settlements that charge a fee to heal the player and his squadmates quickly so they can get back in the fight right away? Make some injuries ONLY heal-able by NPC doctors. One idea would be that, once a body part's damage goes into negative numbers, beds *cannot* heal those injuries. An NPC doctor *will* be required.

Think of this beta portion of the game map as the "starter" area. As your skills increase, you will overpower the mobs easily and require less healing. Moving out into the broader world (once the full version is released) would present bigger challenges. Therefore, the need for NPC healing (and the money sink involved) will continue as gameplay progresses.

Sorry for the wall of text. Who knows, maybe it will spur some constructive discussion.

[Teralitha]

Nah... I like item repair as a money and resource sink better. Its realistic. Your squad can have a doctor. Plus, you cant start a game in a holy city as a robot... they just kill you. I tried it.

[Degasai]

Item repair would be fine, as long as you could eventually repair your own. Gameplay in Kenshi, at least for me, is all about self-sufficiency. Currently, in my 74.32 playthrough, my armorsmith and weaponsmith are into the mid-80's skill levels. Seems like they should be able to repair your equipment. Or, just replace it.

Having something like blacksmiths in the settlements might make sense, though. Going all the way back to your Outpost for repairs would be a pain during extended patrols.