The crater beak things

[bunies]

MY god there are so many of them. Seriously i do not have the invintory space to hold all that meat and animal skin, i cant explore anything because invintory is always full

on a side not why is a "Dead" zone having this many things lving in it ? also why are there plants living everywhere if it is a dead zone ?

[bunies]

Originally posted by Demoulius:

Not really. Radiation levels can be low and some lifeforms can be better suited to survive it then others. If Beak Things were native to Kenshi and not all of the plants in the game are it could also explain why some plants grow there but growing in the area is off limits.

Ground water contaminants could also be a problem and have the same issue. Still allow some things to grow but make the ground unsuitable to grow foodstuffs.

Contaminants or radiation beeing present is not an instant deal breaker for life excisting. My example of Chernobyl easily shows that. Sunlight is a form of radiation. Alot of times groundwater is contaminated by stuff yet plants still grow. And we only learn about it because people get sick. Sometimes getting sick takes a long period of time. as the toxins arent damaging in small dosis.

Does anyone know if the devs just forget to input data for this region though? Given the small attention to detail in alot of other areas I find it abit hard to believe. Or if they did, that they dident update such an easy to correct mistake in all this time.

most things survive low level radiation this is obvious, however plants have a much easier time surviving radiation as i said earlie

what does beak things being native to kenshi have to do with plants ??? this is a very incoherent though, it litteraly makes no sence, please try to correct it.

as i stated earlier plants have a signficantly higher freshhold for radiation then animals

[Defektiv]

I think its the Deadlands for the spiders and robotic creatures, due to the acid rain and electrical storms. I moved my main base to the southern tip of the deadlands since I have hydroponics and the beak things have been amazing. I'll go out sometimes and move a single piece of meat from their inventory to kill them if needed. But most of the time they intercept bandits coming to my gate to attack and clean up the bodies left behind. And anyone who is not an enemy that they attack I can go save and get faction for healing up and saving. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2814342923

[Demoulius]

Originally posted by bunies:

Originally posted by Demoulius:

Not really. Radiation levels can be low and some lifeforms can be better suited to survive it then others. If Beak Things were native to Kenshi and not all of the plants in the game are it could also explain why some plants grow there but growing in the area is off limits.

Ground water contaminants could also be a problem and have the same issue. Still allow some things to grow but make the ground unsuitable to grow foodstuffs.

Contaminants or radiation beeing present is not an instant deal breaker for life excisting. My example of Chernobyl easily shows that. Sunlight is a form of radiation. Alot of times groundwater is contaminated by stuff yet plants still grow. And we only learn about it because people get sick. Sometimes getting sick takes a long period of time. as the toxins arent damaging in small dosis.

Does anyone know if the devs just forget to input data for this region though? Given the small attention to detail in alot of other areas I find it abit hard to believe. Or if they did, that they dident update such an easy to correct mistake in all this time.

most things survive low level radiation this is obvious, however plants have a much easier time surviving radiation as i said earlie

what does beak things being native to kenshi have to do with plants ??? this is a very incoherent though, it litteraly makes no sence, please try to correct it.

as i stated earlier plants have a signficantly higher freshhold for radiation then animals

It makes plenty of sense. The things we can grow for food (except for maybe greenfruit. It has no real life comparison so unclear if its local or not) would be imported from earth or whatever planets humans controlled before they set down on Kenshi. Local wild life and plants wont be effected by local issues like radiation or whatever is the cause of the ground beeing unusable. We see plants grow there and the place is utterly infested with beak things. So whatever is causing the dead zone isent an issue for them.

And while yes, plants can survive radiation very well. However farming plants would need to produce food that doesent kill you by the contaminants. So radiation could still be the cause.

[bunies]

Originally posted by Demoulius:

Originally posted by bunies:

most things survive low level radiation this is obvious, however plants have a much easier time surviving radiation as i said earlie

what does beak things being native to kenshi have to do with plants ??? this is a very incoherent though, it litteraly makes no sence, please try to correct it.

as i stated earlier plants have a signficantly higher freshhold for radiation then animals

It makes plenty of sense. The things we can grow for food (except for maybe greenfruit. It has no real life comparison so unclear if its local or not) would be imported from earth or whatever planets humans controlled before they set down on Kenshi. Local wild life and plants wont be effected by local issues like radiation or whatever is the cause of the ground beeing unusable. We see plants grow there and the place is utterly infested with beak things. So whatever is causing the dead zone isent an issue for them.

And while yes, plants can survive radiation very well. However farming plants would need to produce food that doesent kill you by the contaminants. So radiation could still be the cause.

greenfruits are probably some kind of squash, the other food things are just taken from normal earth food for the simple reason of the devs not wanting to immagine up new stuff. There is litteraly no reason to believe that earth even exists, has it been stated anywhere ???

you seem to have absolutely no idea of how plants and radiation work, so please just stop.

[Demoulius]

Ah yes because in the Kenshi game where we arent on earth but on Kenshi. A planet that has crashed space stations, parts of ships and has humans and foodstuffs that we see on earth; there is no earth.

Riigghhhhtt. Argueing further has absolutely no sense if you are going into an argument so disengenously so lets just agree to disagree about it.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by Demoulius:

Ah yes because in the Kenshi game where we arent on earth but on Kenshi. A planet that has crashed space stations, parts of ships and has humans and foodstuffs that we see on earth; there is no earth.

Riigghhhhtt. Argueing further has absolutely no sense if you are going into an argument so disengenously so lets just agree to disagree about it.

In fantasy stuff, you can make up what you want.
So if the devs would say earth does not exist in kenshis universe, it doesn't.

[bunies]

Originally posted by Demoulius:

Ah yes because in the Kenshi game where we arent on earth but on Kenshi. A planet that has crashed space stations, parts of ships and has humans and foodstuffs that we see on earth; there is no earth.

Riigghhhhtt. Argueing further has absolutely no sense if you are going into an argument so disengenously so lets just agree to disagree about it.

a, it is assume that kenshi is the name of planet ( it might just be the continent )
b. kenshi has had 2 major collapses and before that was a highly advanced society with space tech. it is also almost certain the skeletons were indeed responsible for the collapse at least the first one.
c. it does not state anywhere if kenshi is a planet of origin or a colony ( colony would make little sense because the original power would most certainly have reclaimed it by now)
d. almost all science fiction uses humans for the simple reason of its what we know and its easily relatable, the next step is humoid deravatives, truely original stuff is much harder.
e. to my knowledge the earth is never mentioned in any capacity so should not be presumed to exist.

once again you have knowledge of plant biology or radiation and how it works. And i dislike teaching. so its no point to discuss it with you.

[Shidan]

The devs have actually stated whether Earth exists before. When asked, they answered with this: "Its an alternative world, with no links to reality or earth."

Which in my opinion is pretty clear that Earth simply does not, and has never, existed in Kenshi's universe.

Unfortunately the quote is from an old part of the site that is no longer available due to redesigns, so I can't link it. But it was from an old FAQ about Kenshi.

[Demoulius]

The dev stating its an alternate universe without humans is abit different then earth not beeing mentioned and thus not excisting.

The 2 apocalypses that happened wiped out all knowledge (for the humans anyway) what even was on the planet that we play on. At most we find half buried ruins or things that have fallen out of the sky and landed on its surface. So it makes sense that if this knowledge is already gone that knowledge of another planet that could be your species origin is wiped out as well.

I dont see a 'there is no earth' quote on the steam store page but I do see this: 'Original game world. There are no fantasy-knock-off cliches. No magic.' maybe thats what he said?

[Hatsune Neko Gaming]

Originally posted by Demoulius:

The dev stating its an alternate universe without humans is abit different then earth not beeing mentioned and thus not excisting.

Actually it is as Shidan said. there is no relations to humans or earth. several of the main races are humanoid because its a video game.
also there is mention of it.
Useful Information and links For Kenshi 1

everything there is confirmed by the Dev Team or Chris himself.

[Demoulius]

I take youre word on it. I wasent around during the early games of development but from what I gather the developer communicated alot with fans of his project :)

It also has no bearing on what we were discussing tbh. Whatever plants can or cannot withstand the amount of radiation (I also talked about ground polution but apparently only radiation got picked out) is irrelevant. Its also not my point. I know plants can survive more radiation than animals can. And plants are already shown to grow there. But the plants we can plant are for farming. And if the place is Irridiated YOU CANNOT eat the produce that comes from those plants. Thats my bloody point.

Well you can. But it will kill you. OR at the very least make you very ill. It wont produce anything usuable. Which would be the reason you couldnt farm there. If radiation is the cause. We already know things can grow there but we cant eat from those plants. Which is the goal of every plant in the 'farming' section. Eat the produce (or sell it or whatever) that comes from those plants.

Il just repeat this myself before someone says it: We dont know what is the actual cause. Just speculating on what it might be, And honestly there could be tons of reasons. Without hearing from the dev(s) or a ingame loreblurp we will most likely never know the anwser.

[bunies]

Originally posted by Demoulius:

I take youre word on it. I wasent around during the early games of development but from what I gather the developer communicated alot with fans of his project :)

It also has no bearing on what we were discussing tbh. Whatever plants can or cannot withstand the amount of radiation (I also talked about ground polution but apparently only radiation got picked out) is irrelevant. Its also not my point. I know plants can survive more radiation than animals can. And plants are already shown to grow there. But the plants we can plant are for farming. And if the place is Irridiated YOU CANNOT eat the produce that comes from those plants. Thats my bloody point.

Well you can. But it will kill you. OR at the very least make you very ill. It wont produce anything usuable. Which would be the reason you couldnt farm there. If radiation is the cause. We already know things can grow there but we cant eat from those plants. Which is the goal of every plant in the 'farming' section. Eat the produce (or sell it or whatever) that comes from those plants.

Il just repeat this myself before someone says it: We dont know what is the actual cause. Just speculating on what it might be, And honestly there could be tons of reasons. Without hearing from the dev(s) or a ingame loreblurp we will most likely never know the anwser.

once again you have zero idea of what you are talking about.

If you have ever eaten produce from a grocery store then you have eaten irradiated food; because most fresh produce is exposed to extreme levels of radiation in order to make it last longer by killing the microbes on it. This is a brought up joking in zombie movie, 28 days later if i remember correctly. Food grown in an high radiation environemtn does not magicaly become radioactive; you clearly know nothing about radiation and how it actually works in reality. The main danger would actually be any radioactive dust on the food grown there but not the food itself.

unless you have a masters or doctorate in botany, horticulture, or some other related scientific field, just stop. you do not know how plants work in relation to soil contamination, radiation, polution, or anything else for that matter.

Also we can go with occam's razor on this and say that the autofill algorithm just placed plants where they should not exist. a conclusion we came to here a couple of days ago