Am I the only one furious with the fact that the developers abandoned the development of kenshi and began to develop the second part?

[Grush]

Buying this game, I saw that it was in an unfinished state and was sure that it would be slowly finished. Instead, they started making the second part, which will be released in 7 years and probably in the same raw state. And what's next? Will they finish the second part? Or maybe they'll quit and start making a third one? Screw this

[RocknGames]

They did a poll to ask players their opinion on it.Also Kenshi's custom game engine cant really handle anymore it would need to be completely taken apart and rebuilt from the ground up to add anything else they wanted to add (afaik)

Dissapointed a little but we have modders to help with the lil extra's ,they do still fix bugs,but objectively speaking they did make the correct decision.The developers actually love their game also

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by RocknGames:

They did a poll to ask players their opinion on it.Also Kenshi's custom game engine cant really handle anymore it would need to be completely taken apart and rebuilt from the ground up to add anything else they wanted to add (afaik)

Dissapointed a little but we have modders to help with the lil extra's ,they do still fix bugs,but objectively speaking they did make the correct decision.The developers actually love their game also

Pretty much.
Dev askes the ones who paid for about their preference.
The ones which came after could either do the research, ask in the right place or accept what it is.

[Hatsune Neko Gaming]

Development was not abandoned.
Development stopped for several reasons.

Kenshi uses a old Ogre engine. It can not multithread. Upgrading to Ogre 2.1 would take years.
Performance was suffering due to the engine and amount of content in the game already.

The Dev decided to finish what they could do then start working on Kenshi 2 using Ogre 2.1
They where gonna port Kenshi 1 to the new engine as they developed Kenshi 2. But development for both would have been very slow.
The Dev then changed to Unreal 4 and a poll was put up asking players what direction they should go.

Player's overwhelming voted for them to work on Kenshi 2. So that's what they did.
And maybe port Kenshi 1 to Unreal 4. Least then they would have the assets to do so but it would still be a half a decades worth of work once Kenshi 2 was finished.

So we are here. 55+ bug patches later. Development of Kenshi 2 has been underway for 2 years. And Kenshi 1 is still getting patches.

So, to add more. The game's engine has to be upgraded. Upgrading will take year's.

In the meantime, they will continue to work on Kenshi 2 and bug fix Kenshi 1. But no new features will be added.

Also we all acknowledge that the game has issues. It's freely mentioned it has bug's and will continue to have them. Many are due to the game's engine's and can not be fixed due to it. But the Devs are trying to fix what they can.

[Laidlaw]

Originally posted by RocknGames:

They did a poll to ask players their opinion on it.Also Kenshi's custom game engine cant really handle anymore it would need to be completely taken apart and rebuilt from the ground up to add anything else they wanted to add (afaik)

Dissapointed a little but we have modders to help with the lil extra's ,they do still fix bugs,but objectively speaking they did make the correct decision.The developers actually love their game also

What poll? I was never asked my opinion I guess only the fanboys got to have a say then. Some people don't like using mods. It's a jank game with limitations but at least there is enough content to keep you busy for awhile... oh wait I mean good thing the stats take sooooooo long to level up that you will be advancing in tech and skills in real time like I was picking the copper by hand myself

[Laidlaw]

Originally posted by Hatsune Neko Gaming:

Development was not abandoned.
Development stopped for several reasons.

Kenshi uses a old Ogre engine. It can not multithread. Upgrading to Ogre 2.1 would take years.
Performance was suffering due to the engine and amount of content in the game already.

The Dev decided to finish what they could do then start working on Kenshi 2 using Ogre 2.1
They where gonna port Kenshi 1 to the new engine as they developed Kenshi 2. But development for both would have been very slow.
The Dev then changed to Unreal 4 and a poll was put up asking players what direction they should go.

Player's overwhelming voted for them to work on Kenshi 2. So that's what they did.
And maybe port Kenshi 1 to Unreal 4. Least then they would have the assets to do so but it would still be a half a decades worth of work once Kenshi 2 was finished.

So we are here. 55+ bug patches later. Development of Kenshi 2 has been underway for 2 years. And Kenshi 1 is still getting patches.

So, to add more. The game's engine has to be upgraded. Upgrading will take year's.

In the meantime, they will continue to work on Kenshi 2 and bug fix Kenshi 1. But no new features will be added.

Also we all acknowledge that the game has issues. It's freely mentioned it has bug's and will continue to have them. Many are due to the game's engine's and can not be fixed due to it. But the Devs are trying to fix what they can.

I guess that was the developer's mistake in choosing what engine to use. Might buy Kenshi 2 when it is finally released and on sale. Hope there are better systems and structure for the (stories/quests)

[Laidlaw]

Originally posted by Fryskar:

Originally posted by RocknGames:

They did a poll to ask players their opinion on it.Also Kenshi's custom game engine cant really handle anymore it would need to be completely taken apart and rebuilt from the ground up to add anything else they wanted to add (afaik)

Dissapointed a little but we have modders to help with the lil extra's ,they do still fix bugs,but objectively speaking they did make the correct decision.The developers actually love their game also

Pretty much.
Dev askes the ones who paid for about their preference.
The ones which came after could either do the research, ask in the right place or accept what it is.

Had this game for a few years then they were still doing updates that required me to start new games. Never saw no poll. Guess me paying for it really did not mean anything like you say.

[Hatsune Neko Gaming]

Originally posted by Laidlaw:

Originally posted by Hatsune Neko Gaming:

Development was not abandoned.
Development stopped for several reasons.

Kenshi uses a old Ogre engine. It can not multithread. Upgrading to Ogre 2.1 would take years.
Performance was suffering due to the engine and amount of content in the game already.

The Dev decided to finish what they could do then start working on Kenshi 2 using Ogre 2.1
They where gonna port Kenshi 1 to the new engine as they developed Kenshi 2. But development for both would have been very slow.
The Dev then changed to Unreal 4 and a poll was put up asking players what direction they should go.

Player's overwhelming voted for them to work on Kenshi 2. So that's what they did.
And maybe port Kenshi 1 to Unreal 4. Least then they would have the assets to do so but it would still be a half a decades worth of work once Kenshi 2 was finished.

So we are here. 55+ bug patches later. Development of Kenshi 2 has been underway for 2 years. And Kenshi 1 is still getting patches.

So, to add more. The game's engine has to be upgraded. Upgrading will take year's.

In the meantime, they will continue to work on Kenshi 2 and bug fix Kenshi 1. But no new features will be added.

Also we all acknowledge that the game has issues. It's freely mentioned it has bug's and will continue to have them. Many are due to the game's engine's and can not be fixed due to it. But the Devs are trying to fix what they can.

I guess that was the developer's mistake in choosing what engine to use. Might buy Kenshi 2 when it is finally released and on sale. Hope there are better systems and structure for the (stories/quests)

Back when the Dev started to work on the game, there were no good free options. Best game engine at the time cost 1 million to licence it. So he built the first part of the engine himself. Learning how to do so at the same time.
It took about 15 years to make the game. And he didn't have a full crew until the last 4 years of development.

This is a work of passion for the Dev.

Your welcome to think the game is unfinished. But the truth is, the game is as feature complete as the game engine will allow.
It is a finished game.

For Kenshi 2, he will have a programming team of 12 to 16. And use Unreal 4.

He will be able to do more of what he wanted in the first game in the second game

Until then, we have about 2 to 4 more years before we possibly get Beta access.

[angrytrex]

I was able to pull over 1200 hours out of Kenshi and I'm still playing it. While I normally do get angry about games not being "finished", I feel this one is done enough. The mods make the game also to the point where I would argue Kenshi is really made to be modded to your preference.

[Diarmuhnd]

Originally posted by Grush:

Am I the only one furious with the fact that the developers abandoned the development of kenshi and began to develop the second part?

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Will they finish the second part? Or maybe they'll quit and start making a third one? Screw this

Nope. I'm not furious. Not even a little because Kenshi is complete enough.

The Kenshi dev busted his backside building a game engine , fixing the game , adding content , and most importantly, he never abandoned Kenshi when things got rough and things looked bleak.

Back then all we had was rolling sand to soak our fallen blood, now we have so much more. . Kenshi is done, only because its bones are so old, with new bones just imagine how much fun you'll have in Kenshi 2 because Kenshi will live on.

After 10+ years of Kenshi, I'm looking forward to Kenshi 2. They should be able to move on and make a new game and hopefully even more money.

Good luck and have fun

[Cuddle_Rat]

Originally posted by angrytrex:

I was able to pull over 1200 hours out of Kenshi and I'm still playing it. While I normally do get angry about games not being "finished", I feel this one is done enough. The mods make the game also to the point where I would argue Kenshi is really made to be modded to your preference.

This is the truth, is it a perfect game? Well I would argue it's pretty close. Modding has a great community keeping things fresh for me with every new playthrough. And due to the included mod tool, and a little learning on my part, I get to shape the game how I want it to be. I challenge anyone to tell me another game that lets me do that myself, with no real knowledge of how to make legit mods. I fully support the Devs moving to Kenshi 2 and can't wait to give it a go in the future!

[Cattrina]

Originally posted by Laidlaw:

Originally posted by Fryskar:

Pretty much.
Dev askes the ones who paid for about their preference.
The ones which came after could either do the research, ask in the right place or accept what it is.

Had this game for a few years then they were still doing updates that required me to start new games. Never saw no poll. Guess me paying for it really did not mean anything like you say.

Here's the poll, apparently you can still vote. Although the decision has been made based on answers on 2019

https://www.strawpoll.me/18697532/r

[bunny de fluff]

Do you want to see an earlier Kenshi 2, or a more perfectly made Kenshi 1? Most people chose the former.

[Grush]

No one has ever asked me to participate in the vote, like many other people, I'm sure. It took place somewhere there, and no matter how it passed, the developers would have made a convenient result for themselves. And how can you call this game over? If the very fact of the existence of this mythical vote suggests that it is not finished and they could do something else, because people "could" choose to continue developing kenshi further, and not start doing the second part
UPD: this pole is a joke. only ~2,600 people voted there in 2 years

[stecph]

Dude this developer in one of the very few ones who still makes games for passion,I have more then 1700h in numerous replays. I'd buy Kenshi 2 in a second, even in the state it is now.
As for Kenshi 1? It is simply one of the best games ever (and i played Pac Man in an arcade).

[Cattrina]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/233860/discussions/0/1628539910029236952/

I do not claim any of the links I found are the actual original vote.