Paper Lily - Chapter 1

Paper Lily - Chapter 1

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crow food Jan 27, 2024 @ 10:58am
the lore
what are your theories, thoughts? i wonder what's going on with the "experiments" and why Sai left :(
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Stefansburg Jan 27, 2024 @ 11:55am 
Sai = Red
Elucidator Jan 27, 2024 @ 12:29pm 
My thoughts: "The game has cute art, cute characters, very lovely and treasurable. Kawaii is probably the correct word. Hm yes. And the outfits are cute as well, at least for the female cast."

My theories: "The art makes me wonder if the developer artist is japanese. Somehow i do not think this is the case, yet they draw in the style perfectly and have skills with whatever program they use and their mouse pointer beyond my comprehension. I am suspecting they use a professional art software suite such as Adobe Photoshop. They may have also bought specialized tools to work with instead of a mouse.
Still, no clue where they learned to create art like that--... makes me wonder how many years of expertise they had. Did they have a teacher?
I wonder if there is a place where you can learn to create art like that, without AI obviously."

Now here is the question: "Why?"
The art is very emotional centered and conveys emotions much like a bishounen or Bishoujo game. Considering the theme is horror, is this game in the end going to be about something else?
Love perhaps, family and friends? Somehow the art alone makes me guess that this game will get a happy ending and that it is more about an emotional journey.

Or is theorizing like this too meta?
Anyway they put in a lot of effort just in drawing alone and, it is at a level of quality that is kinda special, especially for a horror game.

Feel free to take these compliments @leef6010
luxtizer Jan 27, 2024 @ 5:10pm 
There are definitely some hints that Sai is Red. But if that's the case, why does Spider say Red won't be back for a long time when Sai is right there? Spider could just be messing with her, I suppose.
Velorien Jan 28, 2024 @ 4:21pm 
The Paper Lily lore appears to revolve around an organisation, name unknown, that uses a symbol similar to an eye surrounded by tentacles. We see this symbol all over the facility, but it actually first appears on the seal of Lacie's golden letter, as well as in the design she draws on the door. It can also be found on the walls in Dead End 4, a major source of evidence for the below. Let's refer to this organisation as Tentacle Eye, or TE for short.

It's worth noting that although Kat's demon world is clearly connected to Lacie's (the stack of golden letters on the floor includes one for the "Bus Ritual" Lacie uses, and the vase and door from Kat's dream are the same as in Lacie's True End, while the description of the footage in the secret room in the facility sounds like Kat's corridor of doors), they are not the same place. Kat's golden letter lacks the TE symbol, and the entity that baited her treats her as prey, not as a resource like the TE demons in Dead End 4.

Here, then, is the timeline as I understand it.

Hundreds of years ago, TE runs the facility to extract souls from humans (and place them in jars?), as well as experimenting on them, primal demons, and whatever Miss Knives and Spider are (Miss Knives is a demon, but her backstory seems extremely human). This facility is run by Lilith, seen in Bad End 10's flashback as a horned woman with extra eyes across her face. It may be my imagination, but she seems to resemble Lacie quite a bit.

At some point, other senior demons, likely including Glen, oust Lilith and proceed to use her for experiments. Eventually, a demon recommends that she be discarded as useless. We don't know if this happens.

Later, the facility is abandoned. This probably happens *before* the primal breaks out, since TE have time to erase their records and there are no corpses.

Fast-forward to the present. Some remnant of Lilith attaches itself to Lacie. Miss Knives, who is probably blind (having stabbed her eyes out in her backstory), recognises Lacie as Lilith by her aura and is horrified. Rune also recognises her smell, but says it's a thousand years' bad luck to say the owner's name.

Meanwhile, TE sends golden letters with the bus ritual to some but not all applicants. The purpose of the ritual is to acquire humans, whose souls are then extracted and whose arms are cut off and stored (we also see a cut-off hand in the Lilith flashback, but it's unclear if this is related). Glen is in charge, but not personally involved--the Doctor threatens to report the other two demons to him in Dead End 4. It's mentioned that the ritual has dried up as a soul source, possibly as a result of the online advice telling people to get off before the final stop.

We know of two uses for souls: they can be expended in experiments (as was the case with Lilith), or consumed, something TE only permits to those who go through the proper channels for it (per the Eye Doorknob secret library).

Side note: Aoi says they sometimes work with humans, and speak of Glen as if they know them (when describing Glen's reaction to fairy rings). There is a worrying possibility that they work for TE.
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Elucidator Jan 29, 2024 @ 4:56am 
Theory:
Lacie is Lilith.
The biggest question is "Why did lacie go to this place?" if it was not to disappear. Lacie 'gets off the bus', much to Sai's surprise as well, who has been following her before she even realized.

Obviously Sai is the one who knocked her out and took her to the facility; that said he may not be the one to lock her up. His interest in lilith is to see if she could 'remember'.
and memory is a key here; see the red staircase.

One other thing to note is that Lacie is rather social in that world. Instead of vanishing and wanting to be left alone she goes out of her way to explore the world, interact with people, help them even... this doesn't make sense considering what the golden letters are for.

Who sends those letters anyway? And why do they work?
What is this bus and its driver?
So many questions...
Not to mention reality kinda warps every time the bus is called; which makes me wonder if they are just dreaming maybe-- and can't tell it apart from reality. If so, no one died.
In fact, that could very well be the case for at least it being partially true. Sometimes a dream, sometimes this weird reality, which may mean death is impossible in that place.

There isn't much to go on without a second episode. The lore is all over the place for now.
LEMOAKA Feb 5, 2024 @ 6:57pm 
Theories regarding the black figures and the black hooded person in both Project Kat and Chapter 1

From Project Kat to Chapter 1, there are a total of 2 black figures: one in with Kat, and one at the Stuffed animal deadend of Chapter 1.

Taking a look at the black figure sprites that appears before Kat waking up in the beginning of Project Kat in comparison to CGs in Sensory overload ending(ending 10) of Chapter 1 (which is likely to be CGs of Lilith), there is a striking resemblance between the two of having 2 sets of curved horns: 2 on each sides, one is bigger than another. You could also take hairstyle and the cloak into consideration as well, but I won’t use them as a premise. Despite that, it is safe to say that these two are related to each other or even the same individual.

Black figure in Chapter 1 however, does not have a similarity with anyone just yet. But I feel like I’ve seen him/her somewhere before (or he/she just reminds me of Chara from Undertale). But I have a theory, or more like a guess, that this is Wendy, who is regarded as a dangerous person by Aoi and Alba. Other than that is still unclear, we have literally no info about Wendy other than that.

Black hooded person that warned Kat in Girls’ night out ending of Project Kat resembles the hooded person in the true ending of Chapter 1. At first, I suspected that he/she might be Hiro because he isn’t affected by Lacie’s ominous aura like Sai. But if you proceed to give the injured bunny/caterpillar to the “Little Kat”/Shadow girl in the shop doorknob, you get to see an extra CG in the true ending and have a bit of a look at his/her face under the hood. Considering the eye color, he/she can’t be Hiro, but resembles a bit with Kat’s, which provokes even more questions if you take that as it is. But keep in mind that “in this world, things may not be as it seems,” as stated by the first black figure mentioned above.

Additional notes

I don’t think Sai is Red, because Rune stated that “Sai is human, I can smell that even from far away,” and Red is somehow related to the prisoner, a unique demon, under Red’s treehouse since Red is the one who lifts curses, but the prisoner is the one who casts curses, which is too overpowered for anyone who can’t lift curses like Red.

Sai is also the same person as the hooded person in the bus: their shirt, eye, and behaviors are the same. But it is still unclear how he did get off the bus without meeting Lacie.
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Stelliferous Feb 5, 2024 @ 7:19pm 
Originally posted by LeMoNade:
But if you proceed to give the injured bunny/caterpillar to the “Little Kat”/Shadow girl in the shop doorknob, you get to see an extra CG in the true ending and have a bit of a look at his/her face under the hood. Considering the eye color, he/she can’t be Hiro, but resembles a bit with Kat’s, which provokes even more questions if you take that as it is. But keep in mind that “in this world, things may not be as it seems,” as stated by the first black figure mentioned above.

I felt pretty certain that the hooded figure in that CG was Kat when I watched it. The eye color and face looked pretty much like a dead ringer to me. It was a little hard to tell immediately due to the hood, but I felt sure after comparing to Kat's artwork.
LEMOAKA Feb 5, 2024 @ 7:25pm 
My guess is the demon that killed Kat in the prologue's true ending took her body as a vessel. But if they were the same person as the hooded figure in Project Kat, why would he/she try so hard to warn Kat in the first place?
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Stelliferous Feb 5, 2024 @ 7:44pm 
Originally posted by LeMoNade:
My guess is the demon that killed Kat in the prologue's true ending took her body as a vessel. But if they were the same person as the hooded figure in Project Kat, why would he/she try so hard to warn Kat in the first place?
I'm not completely convinced she ever died. If she did, I'm not completely convinced she couldn't be brought back. Definitely lots of mysteries around Kat and what she's up to though. Much less information on her at this point than Lacie, which makes theorizing difficult.

I'm also not convinced that the one wearing the hood in Project Kat and the figure in CH1's ending necessarily need to be the same person.
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LEMOAKA Feb 5, 2024 @ 7:54pm 
Yeah actually at some point I also think that she might've dead ringer'd out of the prologue. We need more info, essentially.
rexisourus Jun 17, 2024 @ 1:11am 
I have a few thoughts on the lore but one random question. Was it Sai who we see laying down in the bus? He wears a red jacket and it looks like jagged teeth on his shirt just like sai... This might be obvious but I wasn't sure. Considering that staying on the bus results in Lacie's capture and subsequent death? Does that mean that sai, if he was on the bus, was killed and the version of we see later in the game is dead? Or is he somehow an agent for the bigger picture of the company facility who's working against them?
¤RAV¤ Jesus Jun 17, 2024 @ 7:54am 
Originally posted by rexisourus:
I have a few thoughts on the lore but one random question. Was it Sai who we see laying down in the bus? He wears a red jacket and it looks like jagged teeth on his shirt just like sai... This might be obvious but I wasn't sure. Considering that staying on the bus results in Lacie's capture and subsequent death? Does that mean that sai, if he was on the bus, was killed and the version of we see later in the game is dead? Or is he somehow an agent for the bigger picture of the company facility who's working against them?
Sai was on the bus confirmed in the Supporter Pack , i think he has a stalker like job for new ritual victims that decide to get off the bus
Last edited by ¤RAV¤ Jesus; Jun 17, 2024 @ 7:55am
Velorien Jun 17, 2024 @ 11:43am 
Originally posted by rexisourus:
I have a few thoughts on the lore but one random question. Was it Sai who we see laying down in the bus? He wears a red jacket and it looks like jagged teeth on his shirt just like sai... This might be obvious but I wasn't sure. Considering that staying on the bus results in Lacie's capture and subsequent death? Does that mean that sai, if he was on the bus, was killed and the version of we see later in the game is dead? Or is he somehow an agent for the bigger picture of the company facility who's working against them?
It's definitely Sai, but I think it's more just that he took the bus as his way into the other world just like Lacie did, and in both cases got off later.
SailorofworldSSeaS Jun 17, 2024 @ 10:21pm 
I think Sai left cause he has a reason he's there he might be searching for something or he's runnig away from home

Also if you go back in the facility before you leave you get dead end 13 and maybe he left cause he wants to protect Lacie he defenetly knows more about this world and I think that you have to take the paper lily cause he wants to meet with her again but I also think that leaving the doorknob there could endanger Lacie so he took it and maybe he need to go to another magic door and have someone else he trusts with the doorknob so Sai could meet with Lacie on the other side

Also we don't know how Lacie got knocked out and why Sai and Rune where there it could have been the bunny and the girl, they might be in control of the facility or somenthing and maybe they left to get somenthing or tell someone they might have even realised that Lacie has a connection to Lilith
Sabaithal Jun 22, 2024 @ 5:42pm 
The one thing that sticks out for me is the intro to Project Kat. Namely, everything is NOT as it seems, as demonstrated with the lily (that was actually a crow, which you will note crows being a recurring thing). Consequently, they were lilies in the jar, and the name of this game.

Chances are that applies to a lot of things in this game that don't seem to make much sense, until you think about them a bit more. The abandoned station sequence with the scissors in particular has a hidden (And rather dark) meaning if you analyze it a bit more deeply.
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