shield jab jab jab repeat

[coolblue]

i swear all neutral is is just bait out a attack>block with shield>jab combo
jab combos are wayyy too strong and annoying af
playing "defensively" is way too good in this game but also i play LOX so

[HighLanderPony]

I think ASDI or CC (crouch canceling) was put in to counter that.

YT tells you the details better than I could.

[Ziack]

Originally posted by coolblue:

i swear all neutral is is just bait out a attack>block with shield>jab combo
jab combos are wayyy too strong and annoying af
playing "defensively" is way too good in this game but also i play LOX so

Average Bronze player take I suppose.

[Meat Man (Alfons)]

You could have formulated this as a question on how to get better instead of looking like a bronze player rage post

[Miamishark]

Buddy if you hitfall the correct attack when you hit a shield you can beat grab. Try figuring stuff out in training mode before you spew this nonsense.

[OwO Enjoyer]

dont forget half the roster having seemingly no endlag on any of their attacks (orcane, zetter, clairen, fleet) and can just spam you with attacks while the other half cant even punish a whiffed attack cause they are so slow (lox, kragg for example)

[ShaqFu]

Originally posted by coolblue:

i swear all neutral is is just bait out a attack>block with shield>jab combo
jab combos are wayyy too strong and annoying af
playing "defensively" is way too good in this game but also i play LOX so

Literally you can hold down to CC and then counterattack. Not hard....

[Mystic]

Originally posted by Wont fight Clairen:

dont forget half the roster having seemingly no endlag on any of their attacks (orcane, zetter, clairen, fleet) and can just spam you with attacks while the other half cant even punish a whiffed attack cause they are so slow (lox, kragg for example)

Simply not true for Kragg, but go off

[detCap]

Originally posted by Water Boy:

Buddy if you hitfall the correct attack when you hit a shield you can beat grab. Try figuring stuff out in training mode before you spew this nonsense.

AFAIK you can't hitfall an attack on shield no?

[Plum]

Originally posted by Maypulsirup:

dont forget half the roster having seemingly no endlag on any of their attacks (orcane, zetter, clairen, fleet) and can just spam you with attacks while the other half cant even punish a whiffed attack cause they are so slow (lox, kragg for example)

All characters can punish, and all characters have enough end lag to be punished. You cant run across the map and punish them if that's what you mean, you have to be spacing well.

[Songbird]

What about something like
Hit shield with safe move > dash back > punish option after shield drop
Or hit shield with spaced move > watch opponent whiff jab > hit them
or move like you're going to attack but grab instead

Defensive options are pretty strong in this, but if you're literally being jabbed out of shield, you're hitting with stuff that's like -14 or worse, which means you're just throwing yourself at people in a way that's straight-up asking to be punished like this.

[ZooL]

Originally posted by detCap:

Originally posted by Water Boy:

Buddy if you hitfall the correct attack when you hit a shield you can beat grab. Try figuring stuff out in training mode before you spew this nonsense.

AFAIK you can't hitfall an attack on shield no?

exactly. that because people actually have no clue and give bad advice.

Originally posted by Songbird:

What about something like
Hit shield with safe move > dash back > punish option after shield drop
Or hit shield with spaced move > watch opponent whiff jab > hit them
or move like you're going to attack but grab instead

Defensive options are pretty strong in this, but if you're literally being jabbed out of shield, you're hitting with stuff that's like -14 or worse, which means you're just throwing yourself at people in a way that's straight-up asking to be punished like this.

second part is completely right and while the first part is right in theory the difference in execution between perfectly spacing an attack, then dash back almost frame perfect to counter one of the most easy options in the game where you just have to hold shield and then press attack for the shield grab just does not add up.

in general the games meta is way to defensive. professional players like Mang0 and Dabuz have already voiced the same concern.

[King of Brawl]

Empty jump grab, a lot of people react to the sound of you hitting their shield.
Do this a few times and then if they start punishing you put out a late aerial.
Space your aerials so they miss their jab by crossing them up.
You can probably do a late aerial and then grab when your move autocancels.
Lox full range foward tilt a few times until you can break their shield by running up and up smashing.
If they really don't want to approach, get your stacks for free.
Lox side b, pay attention to the option they pick (Tech or no tech, roll, getup or attack) and then punish it next time.
And then all of the other advice like cc, parry, etc.

It's strong but just like everything there's a way to play against it. FYI Mang0 and people in masters play against people who make very little mistakes which is why they're frustrated, but we're lower than them so just try to take a positive attitude and have fun. Ranked isn't worth it if you aren't.

-A Casual Doubles player

[Arson]

Originally posted by Ziack:

Originally posted by coolblue:

i swear all neutral is is just bait out a attack>block with shield>jab combo
jab combos are wayyy too strong and annoying af
playing "defensively" is way too good in this game but also i play LOX so

Average Bronze player take I suppose.

Beatrice is that you?

[Genolla]

What's a jab combo?

-Clairen main

[Many-Named]

if you dont know the counter to a strategy then try it for yourself and you will quickly find out.