Why is air dodge so useless. Why.

[slysudo]

Hell not just dodging but being able to do anything midair is miserable due to the unnecessary amount of end lag. Man I hate every attempt at a platform fighter these days. It always comes down to these melee obsessed losers wanting to keep the dream alive.

Why cant anyone seem to figure out how to make a good f\/cking MODERN smash alternative without ruining something.

Look at allll the random no life melee enjoyers that came out of the woodwork to try and get me to delete the post. Sorry sh!theads learn to accept that not everyone subscribes to your idea of a good smash game anymore. Keep telling everyone to get good when no one but you and a handful of people are left playing.

[Pride]

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Jaxiiruff の投稿を引用：

Thanks for having a brain in a sea of losers clutching their pearls that their millions of hours in melee doesnt make them cool anymore. I actually think it will be over in less time than that because people like me are just fed the hell up with these developers catering to 0.1% of the players interested these days.

Kinda sad, still here trolling and you don't even play the game. Nothing better to do? IG this really is the best game.

Literally gave up because air dodge isn't a hand holding mechanic in this game. jesus.

Truly a godlike sh!ter probably can't even short hop consistently or even worse uses 2 jump buttons to do it cus this guy's from ultimate

[softie]

bait used to be believable

[Schmoop]

I think you might just be bad at the game.

[Ridley]

Terrible, TERRIBLE opinion, the stupid free air control and broken air dodge ultimate has is the main reason i cant stomach that game, you got hit? You get punished, period, you want a game where you can literally mash air dodge and get out of combos , go play ultimate.

And just to be clear, im new to rivals, i get BODIED every match i play, i can barely get a fair out, yet when it gets out i know ill have my chance at a combo, unlike the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that ultimate is.
Im not good, but i appreciate the hit stun rivals has,

Also, ultimate is so sloppy that most of the time you have to fight with the controls in that game, even shorthopping in ultimate is clunky, everything is delayed and sloppy.

Coming from someone that played smash casually back in 2004-2008, and came back last month after not touching fighting games for 17 years.

NO JOHNS OP

[Rael Imperial Aerosol Kid]

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Meat Man (Alfons) の投稿を引用：

You're not meant to use the airdodge aside from dodging obviously telegraphed laggy things like smash attacks at ledges. Play around platforms and use the airdodge to dodge into the platforms instead

The ground movement is a lot better than air movement in the game, once you schmove around platforms it's hard to go back

And this is why Im done giving new platform fighters a chance with sh!t responses like this. Everyone wonders why these stupid games die so fast is because no one, especially casuals, gives a flying f\/ck about all the technicalities and learning movement techs right out the gate. Smash was good at allowing everyone a chance and if you happened to learn some cool techs on the way it was natural and not forced.

Just gonna emulate Ultimate and consider this genre dead until someone on the Rivals 2 team considers making their game actually better and not just a melee circle jerk. Goes for Multiversus as well if that even survives Q1 2025.

The airdodge isn't that useful for dodging, I'll agree with you on that. However, there are other ways to get out of the air. One is simply holding the direction you want to go when you are attacked, as it will influence the direction you are launched (this is called Directional Influence, shortened to DI). You can also do the same thing for multihits like Orcane's bubbles.

The other method of getting out of the air is fastfalling. This is more effective than in ultimate because characters fall faster in this game generally, so it means your opponent has less time to react.

You still have tools to get out of disadvantage, they're just different from Ult. It's a different game with different rules, just sharing the same general structure. Don't worry about any advanced tech, it isn't required at all for this game until you get to an intermediate level (I barely use any at all). The most important thing to keep in mind is you are more mobile than in ultimate, and should use that mobility to dance around your opponent's attacks.

Lastly, if you keep getting steamrolled online feel free to join a discord server for rivals so you can find other new players at your skill level. This will be a far more fun way to learn if matchmaking isn't being kind to you. Also, keep a level head. Getting steamrolled is always avoidable, and you can save replays to check where exactly you went wrong.

If you don't want to ever play again, fair. Rivals is hard, there's no getting around that. But it's simpler than you think. If you feel like it, I encourage you to give it another shot, aiming to learn rather than win. Wins will begin to come soon after. If you still hate the game after, that's perfectly fine too. Just give it a fair chance before dismissing it entirely.

[Songbird]

Ridley の投稿を引用：

Terrible, TERRIBLE opinion, the stupid free air control and broken air dodge ultimate has is the main reason i cant stomach that game, you got hit? You get punished, period, you want a game where you can literally mash air dodge and get out of combos , go play ultimate.

IDK what version of Ultimate you're playing where spamming air dodge is super effective. Ult air dodges are super super laggy, and baiting them is a big part of the game. Ult's big problems are around neutral being an awful experience with all the badly-thought-out character gimmicks and killing often being around fishing for a move to land. It's not Brawl or Smash 4 where spamming air dodge was actually broken. Like go play against G&W or Fox and tell me all about how easy the game is because you can just land by spamming air dodge.

Air dodge as a defensive tool in this game is actually kind of comically bad since it stalls you for so long, so it really only gets you through strongs and projectiles like rock unless your opponent is flinging themselves out of position for a second attack. I don't really have a problem with it since juggles themselves aren't particularly oppressive, though.

[Ridley]

Songbird の投稿を引用：

Ridley の投稿を引用：

Terrible, TERRIBLE opinion, the stupid free air control and broken air dodge ultimate has is the main reason i cant stomach that game, you got hit? You get punished, period, you want a game where you can literally mash air dodge and get out of combos , go play ultimate.

IDK what version of Ultimate you're playing where spamming air dodge is super effective. Ult air dodges are super super laggy, and baiting them is a big part of the game. Ult's big problems are around neutral being an awful experience with all the badly-thought-out character gimmicks and killing often being around fishing for a move to land. It's not Brawl or Smash 4 where spamming air dodge was actually broken. Like go play against G&W or Fox and tell me all about how easy the game is because you can just land by spamming air dodge.

Air dodge as a defensive tool in this game is actually kind of comically bad since it stalls you for so long, so it really only gets you through strongs and projectiles like rock unless your opponent is flinging themselves out of position for a second attack. I don't really have a problem with it since juggles themselves aren't particularly oppressive, though.

Baiting air dodges is such an unfunnplaystyle, everything in ultimate is unfun, the built in input lag is unfun, the broken dishonest characters are unfun, the dumb ledge mechanics are unfun, im happy with rivals2 the way it is, screw air dodges, they should serve one purpose, wavedash/waveland

Seriously, i hate what smash has become after melee, brawl was so bad it made me quit the series for 17 years, i understand people that like it, but it just isnt for me.

[hot chardonnay]

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Hold Down = No rematch の投稿を引用：

And he is right, in 2-3 month people will wonder where the players went because 40 year old manchilds cant accept that noone except meleesweats want to play melee clones

Thanks for having a brain in a sea of losers clutching their pearls that their millions of hours in melee doesnt make them cool anymore. I actually think it will be over in less time than that because people like me are just fed the hell up with these developers catering to 0.1% of the players interested these days.

Bless you OP for telling these melee losers like it is. They probably can't even beat a level 9 CPU in a real game like ultimate.

[hot chardonnay]

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GS の投稿を引用：

Whats the beef with melee?

its a objectively broken game that doesnt get new players because the current players circlejerk off to spending 1000 hours to learn exploits and glitches and gaslit themselves into thinking that makes the game "deep"

TRUUEEE

melee has been shrinking for years and years, the average player has been playing for decades

Anyone who plays that trash is just huffing their own farts because they're too hipster to play the newer better game.

[Mystic]

I don't even know why I read thru this entire thread, but all I can say, as someone who prefers Ultimate over Melee, stop complaining and just accept that you don't like the game and move on. This game wasnt made for you, clearly. There was really no reason to bring that kind of energy and emotion to players that like the game, when, apparently, at the time the post was made, you only played like an hr.
Stick to TF2 bro