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Shrimp Daddy 16 DIC 2018 a las 21:49
Friendly Tips on Necro/Occultist pet build?
I've only dabbled in simpler games like PoE and D3. I was hoping the community could give me some tips on optimizing a pet build since I seemed to wipe at least once on the final boss fight and AoM final boss fight. I'm sure things will be a lot worse on the higher difficulties of course. It's probably because I've only completed the campaign once that I haven't quite understood all the mechanics and tricks yet. Could someone tell me the "must-knows" of running a pet build? Thanks :)
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Kris 16 DIC 2018 a las 22:03 
couple of things:
1: Flat damage in any form is king for pet builds
2: Go all or nothing with pet bonuses, you either want them to do some support in some form, or you want them to be the dps, no inbetween.
3: Pets can scale with either player bonuses or pet bonuses. Each pet will list in it's discription which it goes off of.
4: Most mythicals have bonuses that can alter how a skill works, a few rares have this as well, you should try to get https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/1931 and https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/8614.
5: Do not be afaid to get bone harvest or blood of dreeg solely for the modifiers that lets you add more flat damage to your pets.
6: Skeles tend to destory the entire game before elite/ultimate.
Shrimp Daddy 16 DIC 2018 a las 23:30 
Publicado originalmente por Kris:
couple of things:
1: Flat damage in any form is king for pet builds
2: Go all or nothing with pet bonuses, you either want them to do some support in some form, or you want them to be the dps, no inbetween.
3: Pets can scale with either player bonuses or pet bonuses. Each pet will list in it's discription which it goes off of.
4: Most mythicals have bonuses that can alter how a skill works, a few rares have this as well, you should try to get https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/1931 and https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/8614.
5: Do not be afaid to get bone harvest or blood of dreeg solely for the modifiers that lets you add more flat damage to your pets.
6: Skeles tend to destory the entire game before elite/ultimate.
Thanks for the reply. I currently have gear that focuses on pet dmg. I just maxed out BoD to replace Call of the Grim since it heals a lot more. If I want my pets to mainly do all the work on the higher difficulties, do I invest one point in the pets (except skeles which people seem to max) and then invest in dmg auras? I currently have my points in my pets and less in dmg auras.
Takeda 17 DIC 2018 a las 3:59 
Take skellies for example - if you have 8 of these say and take points in Storm Spirit and Hellfire from the two occultist pets, then each of your skellies will benefit massively from the auras in terms of damage output. Everything you have which can land an attack on your behalf gets buffed, whereas pushing more points into Blightfiend really only benefits the Blightfiend.

With Grim Dawn there's no hard and fast choices as to what build you go with, but yes there are some "concepts" let's say which give you food for thought and help inform your choices.

At one point I could summon 10 skellies at once - these has the Wendigo devotion assigned to them. With no cooldown, that meant I had 10 dudes with a 15% chance each to proc the mark, which would do a flat 3.4k damage to the target and restore health. Essentially the battlefield was a rolling sea of Wendigo's mark. You can use the same logic on Imp and its Aetherfire ability too or anything that has no cooldown element and can be assigned to a pet.

Keeping pets alive is a challenge but Necro/Occultist has two sources of pet heal and you can take Devotions which give pet life leech too (Toad and Revenant).

Get Krieg's mace by farming him so you get a bonus skellie early on - you'll probably change it later but it's a useful starting advantage.

also Google the healing skills you use - there are diminishing returns on these so maxing is probably unwise. More effective skeletons with a decent heal are probably more beneficial than poor skeletons with a good heal. But you'll have to engage in some trial and error to find what suits you and your play style best.
Faust Wither 17 DIC 2018 a las 4:04 
Publicado originalmente por Secret Asian Man:
If I want my pets to mainly do all the work on the higher difficulties, do I invest one point in the pets (except skeles which people seem to max) and then invest in dmg auras? I currently have my points in my pets and less in dmg auras.

pet level skill is important for thier toughness for blightfiend or hellhound, but for familiar(raven) you can just increase the aura, since it increase resistance for other pet as well.
darth.crevette 17 DIC 2018 a las 4:31 
As a pet Cabalist, you'll probably be pretty squishy before you get end-game gear; your pets can usually hold aggro, but against most bosses (and a few super-aggressive elites mobs like the flesh hulks) you may want to wait a bit before casting Curse of Frailty and Bone Harvest, to ensure they focus on your pets and don't switch targets to you.

Be also mindful of any AoE, piercing projectiles, or more generally anything that can hit you through your pets. With how much is going on at once when your skellies start proccing their devotion etc, it can be pretty hard to keep track of everything.
RodHull 17 DIC 2018 a las 6:17 
As Faust said some pets you only really want for auras, the ravens are a good example, mobs dont tend to focus them anyway so they rarely die even if you just put 1 point in them, personally i think hellhounds are similar in a build with skelemans as they will be the main soruce of the damage just use hellhounds to buff your skelemans and if they die hellhounds do an explosion aoe as well.
Scully 17 DIC 2018 a las 9:03 
I find skeletons to be extremely squishy and my DPS on bosses to be limited by how fast I can resummon them.
RodHull 17 DIC 2018 a las 17:31 
Publicado originalmente por Scully:
I find skeletons to be extremely squishy and my DPS on bosses to be limited by how fast I can resummon them.

My cabalist has skelemans that can facetank mad queen and gargabol long enough that resummoning them is a non issue, and she isn't even very well optimised tbh. You just need to go all in on them max their resists is a major factor.
Shrimp Daddy 17 DIC 2018 a las 18:14 
Publicado originalmente por Takeda:
Take skellies for example - if you have 8 of these say and take points in Storm Spirit and Hellfire from the two occultist pets, then each of your skellies will benefit massively from the auras in terms of damage output. Everything you have which can land an attack on your behalf gets buffed, whereas pushing more points into Blightfiend really only benefits the Blightfiend.

With Grim Dawn there's no hard and fast choices as to what build you go with, but yes there are some "concepts" let's say which give you food for thought and help inform your choices.

At one point I could summon 10 skellies at once - these has the Wendigo devotion assigned to them. With no cooldown, that meant I had 10 dudes with a 15% chance each to proc the mark, which would do a flat 3.4k damage to the target and restore health. Essentially the battlefield was a rolling sea of Wendigo's mark. You can use the same logic on Imp and its Aetherfire ability too or anything that has no cooldown element and can be assigned to a pet.

Keeping pets alive is a challenge but Necro/Occultist has two sources of pet heal and you can take Devotions which give pet life leech too (Toad and Revenant).

Get Krieg's mace by farming him so you get a bonus skellie early on - you'll probably change it later but it's a useful starting advantage.

also Google the healing skills you use - there are diminishing returns on these so maxing is probably unwise. More effective skeletons with a decent heal are probably more beneficial than poor skeletons with a good heal. But you'll have to engage in some trial and error to find what suits you and your play style best.
Yeah I'm currently using BoD to heal now which is doing pretty good on normal difficulty. I didn't know about Krieg's mace but I'll be sure to get it next run thanks. Looking at the devotions more, maybe I'll get wendigo along with dying god and see if they kinda balance each other out. I will admit, my gear is pretty trash with only pet dmg bonuses atm.
Shrimp Daddy 17 DIC 2018 a las 18:15 
Publicado originalmente por Faust Wither:
Publicado originalmente por Secret Asian Man:
If I want my pets to mainly do all the work on the higher difficulties, do I invest one point in the pets (except skeles which people seem to max) and then invest in dmg auras? I currently have my points in my pets and less in dmg auras.

pet level skill is important for thier toughness for blightfiend or hellhound, but for familiar(raven) you can just increase the aura, since it increase resistance for other pet as well.
I currently took out the points I had in pets and focused on auras with the exception of skeles which I maxed out. Though I maxed out undead legion and the skill after that.
Shrimp Daddy 17 DIC 2018 a las 18:16 
Publicado originalmente por darth.crevette:
As a pet Cabalist, you'll probably be pretty squishy before you get end-game gear; your pets can usually hold aggro, but against most bosses (and a few super-aggressive elites mobs like the flesh hulks) you may want to wait a bit before casting Curse of Frailty and Bone Harvest, to ensure they focus on your pets and don't switch targets to you.

Be also mindful of any AoE, piercing projectiles, or more generally anything that can hit you through your pets. With how much is going on at once when your skellies start proccing their devotion etc, it can be pretty hard to keep track of everything.
Yeah I'm pretty squishy atm. BoD and health pots are for emergency use when I get hit real hard lol. Is the blightfiend taunt worth investing? I only have one point in it.
Kris 17 DIC 2018 a las 18:19 
Publicado originalmente por Secret Asian Man:
Publicado originalmente por darth.crevette:
As a pet Cabalist, you'll probably be pretty squishy before you get end-game gear; your pets can usually hold aggro, but against most bosses (and a few super-aggressive elites mobs like the flesh hulks) you may want to wait a bit before casting Curse of Frailty and Bone Harvest, to ensure they focus on your pets and don't switch targets to you.

Be also mindful of any AoE, piercing projectiles, or more generally anything that can hit you through your pets. With how much is going on at once when your skellies start proccing their devotion etc, it can be pretty hard to keep track of everything.
Yeah I'm pretty squishy atm. BoD and health pots are for emergency use when I get hit real hard lol. Is the blightfiend taunt worth investing? I only have one point in it.

both of his modifiers are taunts, however, the first puts out some hefty DA reduction out which makes the creatures around him easier to hit/crit so it's actually a damage boost for your skellys. the second mod puts out some great aoe damage which is nice for mooks that spawn
Shrimp Daddy 17 DIC 2018 a las 18:24 
Publicado originalmente por Kris:
Publicado originalmente por Secret Asian Man:
Yeah I'm pretty squishy atm. BoD and health pots are for emergency use when I get hit real hard lol. Is the blightfiend taunt worth investing? I only have one point in it.

both of his modifiers are taunts, however, the first puts out some hefty DA reduction out which makes the creatures around him easier to hit/crit so it's actually a damage boost for your skellys. the second mod puts out some great aoe damage which is nice for mooks that spawn
Would you recommend investing in them?
Kris 17 DIC 2018 a las 18:54 
personally, I would yes. the DA hits over 200 reduction while the aoe hits 300 acid/160 Vit with 1/3rd of the beast's own damage at just the soft caps.
Faust Wither 17 DIC 2018 a las 20:44 
Publicado originalmente por Secret Asian Man:
Yeah I'm pretty squishy atm. BoD and health pots are for emergency use when I get hit real hard lol. Is the blightfiend taunt worth investing? I only have one point in it.

in hardcore i would prefer balancing first to survive until i got level 100 & all item that needed for my build. and sometime the number of type pet you had is important if you want more devotion skill you use. like me i had Skeletal Warrior(Elemental Storm), Blight Fiend(Maul), Storm Raven(Tsunami), Hellhound(Flame Torrent), Revenant of Og'Napesh(Eldritch Fire), Skeletal Servant(Rumor) & Blighted Rift Scourge(Acid Spray). it quite fun if you had over 1000% pet all damage and 100% pet attack speed.
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