Any tips for the rogue-like dungeons? Because damn...

[imwithdummy]

I just continually get my butt handed to me. To me, a skeleton key is little more than a ticket to death.
What kind of stinks is that you can be doing so well...then you're dead and that's that. You're kicking butt, you're taking names, you're suddenly surrounded by twenty hammering foes with nowhere to run, aaaaand it was all for nothing. Its all over in a millisecond.

Because...just to be sure, there's nothing at all to be done but restart the game, right?

Regardless, should you wait to enter some of these guys? Do they scale up/down...does level matter that much?

Potions/salves and what not...anyone have a list of their favorite? Something that could be universally helpful?

I'm just sucking and hoping there's some thread of hope out there, I guess. These runs have only ever ended in disaster for me.

[DY5L3X14]

Originally posted by imwithdummy:

I'm just sucking and hoping there's some thread of hope out there, I guess. These runs have only ever ended in disaster for me.

Pin point what exactly is killing you in each case. Overwhelmed by mobs? Boss seemingly too powerful?

If you know the bosses and what to expect then ofc it's gonna be easier to counter, whether by pharmaceuticals or straight up body placement.

Look up the bosses on Grimtools to check what they're doing if you can't quite pin down why you're biting a bullet.

Try them on easier levels 1st while you're way over capped level wise so you can sit there to some extent and see exactly what they're doing.

[Faust Wither]

my favorite is Bastion of Chaos, quick access, has chance of dropping blood of cthon easy, and you can reduce attack of monster in there by using 2 black tallow.

[Gregor]

There is !

Ones you can reframe the words to yourself honestly differently.

Originally posted by imwithdummy:

I'm just sucking and hoping there's some thread of hope out there, I guess. These runs have only ever ended in disaster for me.

You will be presented with a different situation.

The selfproclaimed future and/or present image of the self can be a burden on the performance of a person.

[imwithdummy]

Originally posted by DY5L3X14:

Originally posted by imwithdummy:

I'm just sucking and hoping there's some thread of hope out there, I guess. These runs have only ever ended in disaster for me.

Pin point what exactly is killing you in each case. Overwhelmed by mobs? Boss seemingly too powerful?

If you know the bosses and what to expect then ofc it's gonna be easier to counter, whether by pharmaceuticals or straight up body placement.

Look up the bosses on Grimtools to check what they're doing if you can't quite pin down why you're biting a bullet.

Try them on easier levels 1st while you're way over capped level wise so you can sit there to some extent and see exactly what they're doing.

Good ideas, especially that last one.
Yeah its mostly mobs, I guess. Everything is going swimmingly, then suddenly its not...like, I can AOE lots of adds at the same time, no problem, but once in awhile I get a group that...it seems like they must all hit at once or something. Like the timing of their hits makes it so my health is suddenly at zero with no warning.

Okay, thanks DY and yeah, think I'll start checking stuff on Grimtools to make sure I'm loaded up on whatever specific resists.

[andrew.thiele]

Originally posted by imwithdummy:

but once in awhile I get a group that...it seems like they must all hit at once or something. Like the timing of their hits makes it so my health is suddenly at zero with no warning.

This kind of sounds like it could be reflected damage, which quite a few mobs have in that dungeon (and on the way to it). Without some reduced reflected damage, decent DA, armour, resist and resists to your damage type, among other defensive layers...your own damage being reflected at you can hurt quite a bit.

Perhaps be a little more observant for "Reflected" enemies..or w/e they are called...and see if you are killing yourself in these instances hehe.

I remember way back when I started this game, the internal trauma of my physical build killed me so fast in there...doing like 40k+ internal trauma and some of that was reflected and I clearly did not have the right defensive stats at the time and lets just say a health pot did little to stop my health from draining to my inevitable demise.

Edit: Kind of just realized you never actually say which dungeon is causing you these issues, but for clarity I'm talking about the Steps of Torment.

[imwithdummy]

Originally posted by Gregor:

There is !

Ones you can reframe the words to yourself honestly differently.

Originally posted by imwithdummy:

I'm just sucking and hoping there's some thread of hope out there, I guess. These runs have only ever ended in disaster for me.

You will be presented with a different situation.

The selfproclaimed future and/or present image of the self can be a burden on the performance of a person.

I hear you there. But there's also been times when I feel near indestructible. "Goddang I'm amazing", I'll be thinking to myself. "Look at me go. Why, I just might have stumbled across the best build in the game here, this is incredible stuff! I should make a Youtube video of this! 'How to win Grim Dawn', I could call it. People would be amazed, everyone would love me....well, aside from the haters, anyway. But there's always gonna be haters and I'm dead. Just died. Wtf. Didn't even see that sh** coming, I'll be damned. Arggh I SUCK! WTF!!"

Lol yeah I hear you, I DO kind of suck at games, but seems like every time I think I have something going here, I find out that eh...not so much lol

Thanks for that, btw.

[imwithdummy]

Originally posted by andrew.thiele:

Originally posted by imwithdummy:

but once in awhile I get a group that...it seems like they must all hit at once or something. Like the timing of their hits makes it so my health is suddenly at zero with no warning.

This kind of sounds like it could be reflected damage, which quite a few mobs have in that dungeon (and on the way to it). Without some reduced reflected damage, decent DA, armour, resist and resists to your damage type, among other defensive layers...your own damage being reflected at you can hurt quite a bit.

Perhaps be a little more observant for "Reflected" enemies..or w/e they are called...and see if you are killing yourself in these instances hehe.

I remember way back when I started this game, the internal trauma of my physical build killed me so fast in there...doing like 40k+ internal trauma and some of that was reflected and I clearly did not have the right defensive stats at the time and lets just say a health pot did little to stop my health from draining to my inevitable demise.

That....very concept never occurred to me, that's an aspect of the game I've never looked into...wow, okay...nice to have an avenue to explore here. Kind of trying not to get turned off of these places, you know? Right on, thanks Andrew.

40k+ internal trauma...yeah I bet a health pot didn't do much lol

Edit: Just read up that you can purge reflect with nullification, so...thank you! Can't tell you how much its been bothering me I can't do these dungeons, that's definitely going to help, knowing about the reflective mobs.

[Lerch Addams]

All i know is that once i focused a little more on survive-ability and a little less on DPS, life got a lot better (because i wasn't dead so much).

[illu]

Check your resists, and most importantly go slow the first few times you clear it. Port valbury especially can punish you if you dive headfirst into a bunch of hulks. Upping your resists to whatever type of dmg is most common in a dungeon can make a world of difference in any ARPG

[Sandormen]

Good thred. I learnt a lot here... ...*sighing, thinking I need more inventory space*

[Gregor]

Originally posted by imwithdummy:

I hear you there. But there's also been times when I feel near indestructible. "Goddang I'm amazing", I'll be thinking to myself. "Look at me go. Why, I just might have stumbled across the best build in the game here, this is incredible stuff! I should make a Youtube video of this! 'How to win Grim Dawn', I could call it. People would be amazed, everyone would love me....well, aside from the haters, anyway. But there's always gonna be haters and I'm dead. Just died. Wtf. Didn't even see that sh** coming, I'll be damned. Arggh I SUCK! WTF!!"

Lol yeah I hear you, I DO kind of suck at games, but seems like every time I think I have something going here, I find out that eh...not so much lol

Thanks for that, btw.

That's great that you can relate to that.

There are occasions, where people where able to claim, that it's something like a mantra of "He/She is better then me" or "I'm a looser" or "I don't deserve this" and a list of sentences that go well along with these, that create subconciously produced losses and defeats.
If that would have been the case, then it could have been childhoodbelieves or believes aquired during life, that lead to the result by prooving themself.
Then you would have to either get rid of those by rearranging then sentence around the fact or collect new experiences that create a new believe replacing the other in its validity.

External haters can be a problem. It's a fact some where possible to avoid longer then others, that emotions that the body produces can be seen like an energycommunication.
This communication is "fast" and so it's possible to remotely influence the people by feeling for them. (While playing Grim Dawn as part of any Culture of western world, you might be constant part of thought. How and why you are focused is a topic that cleared and solved should be barely able to hold you back then.)


This one is a killer, if you still see the enemy atacking and not having hit yet, if you got dodge:I'll be damned.

If you turn the situation in to it through assuming, then you could be able to diminish the chance of dodging. It's been proven RNG generators are influenceable through thought and the same goes for different living and existing objects.
So your whole mindset will can affect parts, like influencing useable drops, unsuccesfull dodges, actual critrate above, proc rate of% chances, how quickly someone joins your traderequest lobby, crits recieved(got to think about it, beeing at a chance of recieving a crit with 1% does not exclude a consecutive scenario of 99 or more crits on the character, it's just super unlikely, though an enemy with 15.9% chance and enough dmg to spread your character across the room with a hit can 10 times in a row start out with that crit and outcomes rarely turn back.)

Though there's the point of directx9 at least in my accepted terms of use.
There was this line last time I read it, about not working around the tools limitations.
That's where I read limitations, think about the boundraries possible , and realised , did I force these onto me already more then a decade ago?
Is it fine to add weapon and armor all by yourself, just through thinking?
Are you allowed thinking thunderbolts on your enemies of devastating chracter?
What are the limitations and why wouldn't it be fine to solve it with a thought?
Limitations can be a help, they can be a security, like noone gets to little amount of food and water, since it's limited to at least that what they need.
Though it could be a minor, ok I won't technomancy on things with dx9. Clicked and accepted. No matter the personal cappabilities.
Display of things and how the game runs could be some of the limitations that could be implimented with this, since there's room to improvement if this is solved by thinking or changing information by placing information.(that's something that is a bit alike thinking, it would have creation with its act as fact.)

A little list of things to consider though. Your Energyfield will already have something it draws to it, so a concious and good working with that can as well be benefitting for yourself.
That if you leave your social world hanging , they might hang on you until they either leave or you go towards them and that that can influence your videogame experience negatively is stated here again and there have been experiments successfully proving, that if you would play and they feel for you , it will influence your energyfield, so having a setup where gaming is possible without major disturbances, helps.

Feeling like having reached a good point for now (-:

May it be usefull!

[Takeda]

I feel a tiny bit mean asking if I can have a pint of whatever Gregor is drinking given that his post is a lot about approaching problems with a positive mental attitude.

But equally I'm not sure we can equip our characters with every devotion constellation simply by wearing home knitted lentil jumpers and chanting a DPS sutra.

Originally posted by Sandormen:

Good thred. I learnt a lot here... ...*sighing, thinking I need more inventory space*

Try Grim Dawn Item Assistant - infinite stash space :) Ofc do have a Google (DuckDuckGo - w/e search engine you favour) yourself before downloading anything a random interwebz person suggests :)

Originally posted by imwithdummy:

"Look at me go. Why, I just might have stumbled across the best build in the game here, this is incredible stuff! I should make a Youtube video of this! 'How to win Grim Dawn', I could call it. People would be amazed, everyone would love me....well, aside from the haters, anyway. But there's always gonna be haters and I'm dead. Just died. Wtf. Didn't even see that sh** coming, I'll be damned. Arggh I SUCK! WTF!!"

Loved this and LOL'd - yeah been there done that. As Lerch Addams suggested, if you can let go of some DPS in favour of survival then your gaming will become more consistent and hopefully by extension more fun - good luck :)

[Gregor]

Originally posted by Takeda:

I feel a tiny bit mean asking if I can have a pint of whatever Gregor is drinking given that his post is a lot about approaching problems with a positive mental attitude.

Some water with grace, some coffee with thanks and some smoke in honor.

A sentence. My days start and end with grattitude and joy.

Start believing it, and if it wasn't a fact, you might feel better already by the end of this day or the start of the next one.

[Mochan]

First off you need to figure out what's killing you. If you don't see what's killing you or no idea what it is there's no way you can make adjustments.

Second, you need to make sure your resistances are all up to pat. If not all your resistances are capped you will likely be taking a lot of damage from the trash mobs, not even talking about the bosses. All resists except Physical should be at 80%, depending on your level Armor should be around 1500 or so, OA and DA should be around 2000 or so. If you're not level 100 you can lower those a little. If you're not at this point yet you're going to have a hard time.

Normally the stuff that'll kill you in the rogue-likes are:
* Aether corruptions on the ground. Gotta love them.
* A big fast hulking monster that smacks you physically for whopping damage
* A strong caster or effect that hits you with a DOT.
* Damage reflectors.

If you haven't reached the boss yet and are dying before getting to the boss you're not ready to try the roguelikes until you get your stats up to pat.

If you have good stats the trash mobs shouldn't even be a threat. Only the mid-bosses will be doing significant damage to you. And then you only really need to worry about the final boss.

[Lerch Addams]

Originally posted by Takeda:

"But equally I'm not sure we can equip our characters with every devotion constellation simply by wearing home knitted lentil jumpers and chanting a DPS sutra."

So awesome.

If a legendary pair of these dropped from any boss in GD i would shamelessly wear them.