Anti-cheat

[eredwithrin]

I just played Dark Souls 1 Remastered and it was the same way as Grim Dawn , i mean there is no any server - but the save files of the character are in our Computers. People also in Dark Souls 1 use cheat that can be immortal , excacly as in Grim Dawn , although in Dark Souls 1 they put some anti-cheat that who ever use a 3d program he get ban , why not use the same security in Grim Dawn ~ just a thought

[Takeda]

Essentially because it's not needed - the somehwat restrictive nature of the multiplayer element means that we the gamers can police whether we cheat or not, or associate with cheats.

If you're in an open game a level 1 character runs to the Warder in 40 seconds and kills him with 1 blow - well there's cheating going on - leave the game. How much time have you lost and how much harm has been done to your game?

Given how easy it is for us to safeguard against it for ourselves, why ask the development team to spend a lot of time and effort on fixing something that essentially doesn't need fixing?

[eredwithrin]

well i do pvp and there its hard to know if your damage that doesnt pass through the enemy its because his defences are truly high or because he is cheating, please don't think only your part of the game but think more spherical to cover all the needs of the community. I dont play Grim Dawn because of the cheaters , i am a client , i think Grim Dawn don't want clients to run away

[KG]

Grim Dawn has no anti-cheat because it is a game focused on the single-player experience. Mods, character/item editors, cheats, hacks - enjoy them! Crate didn't want to dictate how you enjoy the game you paid for. If they bother you, best not to use them. If other people using them bothers you, best not to play with those people.

[Faust Wither]

search more friend to play multiplayer that enjoy pvp is the best solution to avoiding it, or you can create your own community called "grimdawn pvp" and see who want join you. and just so you know, there many build that can extremly reducing damage or avoiding to get hit. unless you have 80% damage absorbtion, you will died in one chaos bolt from warlock.

[Takeda]

Fair eredwithrin - it's difficult to know in those circumstances if you're being beaten by better skill or better builds versus being beaten by a cheat.

Ultimately if you're being beaten by someone who cheated how they got legitimate gear that's not different to being beaten by someone who got kit just by grinding for hours and hours. That's an issue for a lot of games - take D2 and people buying SoJ's then trading those for topline kit. Realistically there's nothing to be done there, unless you take a leaf out of other games and host "level 30 characters only PVP game" or similar.

As to whether a cheat can bring cheat add-ons to your public game if you host - I don't know. That would be a question worth answering.

[Faust Wither]

Aether Cluster>Nullification>Curse of Frailty>Bloody Pox> Mirror of Ereoctes>Doom Bolt
become 100% damage absorbtion> Remove all buff from enemy> Give him Debuff> give him annoying dot damage>make him hit him self while you invincible> Finish it like a boss.

[eredwithrin]

thnx for your reply guys , btw Faust Wither im installing Grim Dawn right now , we could give a duel to make your theory in action , i am really interseting to see how you gonna do it against my tanker

[FlamingX21]

Originally posted by KG:

Grim Dawn has no anti-cheat because it is a game focused on the single-player experience. Mods, character/item editors, cheats, hacks - enjoy them! Crate didn't want to dictate how you enjoy the game you paid for. If they bother you, best not to use them. If other people using them bothers you, best not to play with those people.

This is the best asnwer what I would think of.

[Faust Wither]

Originally posted by eredwithrin:

thnx for your reply guys , btw Faust Wither im installing Grim Dawn right now , we could give a duel to make your theory in action , i am really interseting to see how you gonna do it against my tanker

sadly i just play on hardcore. and i hate pvp.

[powbam]

Originally posted by eredwithrin:

I dont play Grim Dawn because of the cheaters , i am a client , i think Grim Dawn don't want clients to run away

You're gunna be sorely disappointed by the answer to that then.

/ waits for medea to gather relevant Zantai quotes about GD, modding, anti cheat, and how you already gave them your money.

[MedeaFleecestealer]

Originally posted by powbam:

Originally posted by eredwithrin:

I dont play Grim Dawn because of the cheaters , i am a client , i think Grim Dawn don't want clients to run away

You're gunna be sorely disappointed by the answer to that then.

/ waits for medea to gather relevant Zantai quotes about GD, modding, anti cheat, and how you already gave them your money.

Nah, I'll just say the game is fully moddable and that's the way the devs want it to be. If they made the game anti-cheat then people probably wouldn't be able to use things like GDStash, GDIA and possibly grimtools - not to mention all those mods like Grimarillion, Reign of Terror, etc.

[Xalaron]

Originally posted by Takeda:

Ultimately if you're being beaten by someone who cheated how they got legitimate gear that's not different to being beaten by someone who got kit just by grinding for hours and hours.

I can see both sides of the arguement in regards to wanting anti-cheat. Takeda kinda missed the point though that someone could simply be running cheat engine to do things like give themselves max resists/dmg asbsorb/block etc.

However when a game supports modding its incredibly unlikely you will ever see it adopt anti-cheat tools since many/all mods could be viewed as "cheats" as they are not a natural part of the game. Not to say it isn't possible though, Diablo 2 had official servers with anti-cheat, then it also had "Open" servers, which were no rules/anything goes servers.

[eredwithrin]

ye i understand now this thing about Mods and it has great support and Anti Cheat would block that although it is possible since it exist anti cheat on dark souls 1 which has the same online style as Grim Dawn , more or less and they got anti-cheat

[Takeda]

Originally posted by Xalaron:

Originally posted by Takeda:

Ultimately if you're being beaten by someone who cheated how they got legitimate gear that's not different to being beaten by someone who got kit just by grinding for hours and hours.

I can see both sides of the arguement in regards to wanting anti-cheat. Takeda kinda missed the point though that someone could simply be running cheat engine to do things like give themselves max resists/dmg asbsorb/block etc.

However when a game supports modding its incredibly unlikely you will ever see it adopt anti-cheat tools since many/all mods could be viewed as "cheats" as they are not a natural part of the game. Not to say it isn't possible though, Diablo 2 had official servers with anti-cheat, then it also had "Open" servers, which were no rules/anything goes servers.

To be fair I did then go on to say about whether hosting a game for yourself precludes someone else's ability to cheat - which I'm assuming now from the other posts is not the case.

I simply don't know enough about those types of mods.

But ultimately the only way I can conceive of a player being able to audit another player's legitimacy is if you have the kind of relationship whereby you disclose everything you've done to each other. That way anyone can replicate it and see for themselves.

Unfortunately that's a big ask - requesting an invested PVP-er reveals the skills and devotions etc that aren't shown when you inspect another character.

If you can create that kind of PVP community that would be the best safeguard which also protects all the positive elements already mentioned.

[powbam]

Originally posted by eredwithrin:

it is possible since it exist anti cheat on dark souls 1 which has the same online style as Grim Dawn , more or less and they got anti-cheat

I do believe you may be living in fantasy land.

I wish they had good anti-cheat says Dark Souls hacker

No anticheat

Unfortunately any anti-cheat that doesn't involve the game also being tied online-only is doomed to fail at some point. Any game that is stored locally on customers machines is vulnerable to being cracked by any knowledgeable person that is determined to do so. They would be fighting an uphill battle trying to prevent people from cheating, which they aren't interested in doing.

Crate have said many, many times that GD will never go this way and that you would be better served hoping for some implementation of it if/when they do a GD2. It will never be what you want here tho and you will need to reconcile yourself with that reality.