Dual wield lightning melee

[Takeda]

I have a lvl 97 Trickster who dual wields Savagery. Sadly my lvl 84 Mythical Crystallums outperform D.T's lvl 94 Mythical Stormheart by about 4k DPS each (this from the Ctrl tooltip, not from the Savagery tooltip).

Is there just very little love for the one hand leccy sword from Crate?

[RodHull]

Lightning tends to have best support for casters and 2handers, single handed not so much except as part of inquisitor elemental based dual gun builds.

[Takeda]

Originally posted by RodHull:

Lightning tends to have best support for casters and 2handers, single handed not so much except as part of inquisitor elemental based dual gun builds.

I guess then I either emphasize the physical part of Savagery or have a chat with Korba about cold devotions.

Worryingly I tried crafting up some green swords (standard enchanted) to see if I were missing something there and 2 yellow versions with base lightning and attack speed were both better than Stormheart, by about 1k DPS a piece.

I guess Storm's strength lies in Firestrike/Cadence .. and maybe dual wielding in Savagery is open to attack speed abuse with more powerful leccy swords?

[Befuddled Honey Badger]

There is a lack of support for it, however, if the Crystallum's perform better than Stormheart, is that really an issue? Crystallum's don't have the crit damage and slightly less % Lightning/Electrocute damage but they have way higher armour piercing, attack speed rolls, flat Lightning damage and with decent OA the 100% chance on crit proc would increase dps way more. Also Crystallum has an extra +3 (+6 with dual-wield) to Storm Touched and an extra +2 (DW) to Stormcaller's.

The only other thing I can think of is Mythical Brutallax (1H Axe) that converts 100% Lightning to Piercing on Savagery, which isn't useful if you actually want to focus on Lightning.

[burdfishdemon]

How do you know what weapon type a given character is best off using? I'm guessing weapon types have sets of possible effects? I'm making a vitality-based necro/shaman right now. I don't want to look up builds for the sake of figuring it out myself. Then again, I'm asking here... Lol.

[andrew.thiele]

Originally posted by burdfishdemon:

How do you know what weapon type a given character is best off using? I'm guessing weapon types have sets of possible effects? I'm making a vitality-based necro/shaman right now. I don't want to look up builds for the sake of figuring it out myself. Then again, I'm asking here... Lol.

Well, "best" weapon type a build can use is very subjective. But any weapon that increases or improves your main damage type I would say qualifies as a great weapon to use.

If you're a caster, you're likely looking at cooldown rates and casting speeds whereas a melee character focuses more on attack speed, life leech..usually. With + to their damage type, flat damage, etc.

Then there are sets that typically have a weapon tied to them so the decision is made for you. Or you can use pieces of a set and a different weapon. Though, set bonuses may or may not deter you from this, provided the weapon added is better than both the weapon it replaces and the set bonus.

I typically use Grim Tools' item database search functionality to find suitable weapons for any build I'm thinking of making. Sometimes the weapons I find are what encourage me to make a build.

[Befuddled Honey Badger]

Like andrew.thiele said, it's essential for your weapons to support your damage types, however, just as important, with the addition of AoM and Mythicals, is +skills and skill modifiers. There are some very powerful skill modifiers on armour and weapons that can help a LOT with certain builds.

[RodHull]

Originally posted by Takeda:

Originally posted by RodHull:

Lightning tends to have best support for casters and 2handers, single handed not so much except as part of inquisitor elemental based dual gun builds.

I guess then I either emphasize the physical part of Savagery or have a chat with Korba about cold devotions.

Worryingly I tried crafting up some green swords (standard enchanted) to see if I were missing something there and 2 yellow versions with base lightning and attack speed were both better than Stormheart, by about 1k DPS a piece.

I guess Storm's strength lies in Firestrike/Cadence .. and maybe dual wielding in Savagery is open to attack speed abuse with more powerful leccy swords?

Shouldnt pay to much attention to DPS meter, my poison caster has 4k dps but she can clear the screen in like 3 to 5 seconds.

Stormheart has superior skill bonuses, to firestrike / cadence but yeah for savagery Crystallum is better, it also has much higher attack speed (12% higher) so that hugely affects DPS calculations.

[Cthulhu's Email Server]

Attack speed seems to have the biggest effect on DPS calculations. Flat damage sometimes does a nice boost as well. % damage seems to matter much less.

That said, pure DPS shouldnt be the only factor in choosing which weapon to use. It can be very deceptive at end game and hurt your build's effectiveness.

[Anathema]

Level 84 is sufficient to be endgame gear. It's already Mythical tier. Just because it isn't level 94 doesn't mean anything.

[RodHull]

Yeah also a fair point, plenty of good mythics are 84, in fact quite a few AOM legendaries are 84 if memory serves

[KG]

Mythical stuff starts at level 82 with a few legendaries and a bunch of epic items, including great stuff like The Silver Sentinel's Shoulderguards, the Elemental Balance rings, and the Final March boots.

[Takeda]

Many thanks to Rod, KG, Anathema, the Honey Badger and Nyarlathotep's SMTP.

It's not that I won't use the Crystallum, the query was born of my perception that there's a gap in the provision of a one handed lvl 94 electric melee weapon.

Rightly or wrongly it feels like everything else is catered for. In addition to this, the fact that there isn't a mythical version for either the Thirsting Maw or the Lightning Rod makes me wonder if there wasn't a concious decision made to cap dual electric melee for reasons of scaling.

I know that you guys typically have a much firmer grasp on how damage is calculated and therefore a clearer picture of how 'light' weapons might easily get out of hand - damage wise.

So while I can ask - 80k buffed DPS .. is this decent? My current experience of fighting in ultimate is that opponents feel a bit "chewier" than previously. Having said that - if Fabius isn't RNG'd with anything too psychotic I can take him down as long as I kite to force him out of Shadow Step into my Blade Barrier.

PS I know damage is more than just DPS but I do try to err in favour of what happens at the pointy end of the weapon as opposed to what the weapon can proc on hit.

[KG]

1h/dw lightning Savagery isn't well-supported at the high end, no. Nothing like 2h or dw cold or maybe even dw vitality are.

[Brennon]

Originally posted by Takeda:

I have a lvl 97 Trickster who dual wields Savagery. Sadly my lvl 84 Mythical Crystallums outperform D.T's lvl 94 Mythical Stormheart by about 4k DPS each (this from the Ctrl tooltip, not from the Savagery tooltip).

Is there just very little love for the one hand leccy sword from Crate?

If you don't have a particular preference for lightning damage, I strongly recommend getting yourself Korba's hood, furs and frenzy (the bigger looking axe of the two) and combine it with either the other axe from the set, or preferably a well rolled Ugdenbog chillstrife MI, also adjusting your devotions accordingly (elemental storm, blizzard, whirlpool, rumor). The trickster I'm running like this right now is tearing through content like it's nobody's business, even managed to kill Rashalga without breaking much of a sweat at a point where I'm still missing a couple components and augments.

However, if you decide to persevere in the lightning option, you can probably make it work, just will need to mix and match a bunch of element related legendaries and greens. Uncommon or non-meta builds are definitely within the realm of possibility.

Best of luck whichever you decide on!

[Faust Wither]

storm heart is weak weapon, try wear mythical spark of ultos in one of the hand.