Why expansion is so expensive?

[Gosen]

Let's don't look at the Steam price, because it's always much higher than everywhere else without a discount. It's easy to find Grim Dawn on sites like HumbleBundle for 8-10 euros, but expansion is for 12+...

I really want to try this, but paying more for the expansion than the main game + having to pay for upcoming one (not to mention other, minor DLCs like Crucible) makes it overall kind of expensive. I wish it has complete edition or something like Season Pass.

Path of Exile is always for free and it has servers to actually play online, while this is single-player-focused game, probably full of trainers and cheaters, while each bigger expansion updates cost more than the actual game, despite being maybe 30% more new content.

It also doesn't look very appealing on screens or gameplays, everything seems grim (literally :D) and there's no much diversity in locations, although upcoming expansion seems better in that matter. For now rest looks extremely boring if compared to the Titan Quest, where we had beautiful, interesting, historical locations and each act had completely different atmosphere.

[FlamingX21]

@Gosen, how do you want anyone to react to your post?

[Bleezip]

Originally posted by FlamingX21:

@Gosen, how do you want anyone to react to your post?

Probably confusion.

[Ceno]

Originally posted by Gosen:

while each bigger expansion updates cost more than the actual game

Grim Dawn is $25. Ashes of Malmouth is $18, adds about 60% more world-area, and tons of new features - increased level cap, mythical items, skill modifiers, attribute respec, the illusionist, and more.

[Bleezip]

Originally posted by Ceno:

Originally posted by Gosen:

while each bigger expansion updates cost more than the actual game

Grim Dawn is $25. Ashes of Malmouth is $18, adds about 60% more world-area, and tons of new features - increased level cap, mythical items, skill modifiers, attribute respec, the illusionist, and more.

Yeah but you don't understand. The screenshots look grim to him and aren't historically accurate. /s

[Sun Chip]

Guess that's your opinion, which is fine. I usually don't buy extra content until I'm finished with the base game. Even after that I look up what the dlc has to offer. AoM is a fine addition and the two new classes are a ton of fun. Not sure what else to say.

[FlamingX21]

I checked his previous posts, seems this is not only game where price tag makes him angry...

[MedeaFleecestealer]

Guess basically if it's not POE he won't be happy. Plenty of threads here about why people ought to try it - he could read those and make up his mind.

[Finnvbot]

Will we live long enough to see the day when people stop comparing fundamentally different business practices and target audiences? Or people complaining about a price of a game you can easily sink hundreds of hours into?

Also, don't forget that the DLCs aren't a must-have. I've had loads of fun playing vanilla for a long time. If you enjoy the base game, THEN consider buying the DLCs. Chances are you won't enjoy GD so there's less money to be wasted.

[Gosen]

Originally posted by Finnvbot:

Will we live long enough to see the day when people stop comparing fundamentally different business practices and target audiences? Or people complaining about a price of a game you can easily sunk hundreds of hours into.

Also, don't forget that the DLCs aren't a must-have. I've had loads of fun playing vanilla for a long time. If you enjoy the base game, THEN consider buying the DLCs. Chances are you won't enjoy GD so there's less money to be wasted.

It's the same genre, so audience is pretty much the same. I doubt you can sink hundreds of hours into game, which isn't multiplayer one. Playing without DLC feels like playing incomplete product, especially if there are few of them.

Grim Dawn is $8. Ashes of Malmouth is $12 on humblebundle site, so that's confusing. Other sites have similar difference in prices. I don't mind the price of vanilla, but the fact that expansions are more expensive than base game, which is ridiculous. Steam is one of the sites, where you can buy this game, but market situation is different than Gaben's rip-off store.

[Finnvbot]

Originally posted by Gosen:

It's the same genre, so audience is pretty much the same. I doubt you can sink hundreds of hours into game, which isn't multiplayer one. Playing without DLC feels like playing incomplete product, especially if there are few of them.

I sunk a thousand hours in the vanilla playing offline exclusively. So there. Different strokes for different folks.

That's what I mean by a different audience: I don't care for the online component (if it's a daed gaem or not), whether someone mods his game or not, e-peen, fancy cosmetics, F2P model, multiple updates throughout the year, endless circle of buffs/nerfs, FOTM builds, etc. I'm not bashing PoE, it's a different animal to me and it's popular for a good reason. And, believe it or not, nowadays it's a fairly common business practice to offer the base game on a heavy discount and have multiple DLCs which, if you buy them all, cost more than the game itself. Psychological shenanigans run deep in the gaming industry.

[MedeaFleecestealer]

Don't know why you're trolling, but it's pretty obvious you are. Since you've never played the game you can't know whether it feels incomplete or not without the expansion.

Buy the base game and try it or don't.

[powbam]

Originally posted by Gosen:

I doubt you can sink hundreds of hours into game, which isn't multiplayer one.

I know you can't see me but... I just want you to know that I read that bit and I'm laughing. Out loud. But pretend that you're watching an extra old timey silent flick of me laughing. Out loud.

It's funnier that way.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1635116173

[Gosen]

Originally posted by MedeaFleecestealer:

Don't know why you're trolling, but it's pretty obvious you are. Since you've never played the game you can't know whether it feels incomplete or not without the expansion.

Buy the base game and try it or don't.

It doesn't matter if I played it. Lot of games are divided into pieces and sold separately as dlc. I would treat Ashes as add-on, but new masteries are pretty important and it doesn't feel like I'm playing full game if I know there's twice as much content beyond vanilla (like in this case with the second expansion).

Originally posted by Finnvbot:

Originally posted by Gosen:

It's the same genre, so audience is pretty much the same. I doubt you can sink hundreds of hours into game, which isn't multiplayer one. Playing without DLC feels like playing incomplete product, especially if there are few of them.

I sunk a thousand hours in the vanilla playing offline exclusively. So there. Different strokes for different folks.

That's what I mean by a different audience: I don't care for the online component (if it's a daed gaem or not), whether someone mods his game or not, e-peen, fancy cosmetics, F2P model, multiple updates throughout the year, endless circle of buffs/nerfs, FOTM builds, etc. I'm not bashing PoE, it's a different animal to me and it's popular for a good reason. And, believe it or not, nowadays it's a fairly common business practice to offer the base game on a heavy discount and have multiple DLCs which, if you buy them all, cost more than the game itself. Psychological shenanigans run deep in the gaming industry.

Quality post. So despite being fascinated by the game someone can still be fair, not a fanboy ♥♥♥♥ talk. Exactly this: Psychological shenanigans run deep in the gaming industry.

Is this game built like TQ in terms of boss runs (exit to menu, restart from the checkpoint and kill certain bosses for loot, you're looking for)? I liked the clarity of TQ and it's database, knowing that certain bosses have higher chances of drop item you wanted, while checkpoints were pretty close and you could do a single one in 30-60 seconds.

[powbam]

Originally posted by Gosen:

Quality post. So despite being fascinated by the game someone can still be fair, not a fanboy ♥♥♥♥ talk.

Most everybody in this thread is a "fanboy" of GD and can still be "fair". And most everybody here (including Finn) will tell you that they have nothing but the utmost respect for Crate as a company, which treats its game's fans fairly and gives them their money's worth.

AoM is easily worth its price tag. Or you could just wait for it to go on sale again if it bothers you so much.

[Nervous Energy]

Its not expensive, far far from it.

TBH they could easily charge another 5-10 for it in whatever currency on the new expansion. I really do not understand people brough up on the stupid F2P market.

GrimDawn is a game for gamers looked after by gamers and at least up to this point a DEV team with actual gamer values. (I say this point as you never know :) ) That alone is worth 20 bucks :)