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OnlyOffensive May 26, 2018 @ 12:40pm
Clairvoyance set
So i've got few pieces and i want to try it out on my warlock, i generally planned to use it as chaos aether ray but with this set i feel like i need to focus on aether damage, so i guess i should remove modifier for aether ray, but i want to use doom bolt aswell, would it damage be converted to aether is my first question and second, does all those 20% converted chaos into aether stack? Like if i wear full set would it be 100% chaos ( or so ) damage modified into aether?
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Anathema May 26, 2018 @ 1:02pm 
Yes, you would get an Aether Doom Bolt. Pair the set with the Albrecht's Duality ring for best results. Use the Agrivix's Malice relic and convert its proc fully to Aether, too!

FYI, for the chaos version of the ray, look for the Black Flame set.
Last edited by Anathema; May 26, 2018 @ 1:04pm
OnlyOffensive May 26, 2018 @ 1:11pm 
yea tnx, unfortunatelly all noticeble items i've got only those few pieces, the only regret i might have by switching into more aether focused buid is that i would need to cut plague.

btw one more question which i still dont know, that set has both aether and chaos, BUT, if i have for example fully converted doom bolt, it still basically chaos but modified by items, so would it damage be affected by both aether and chaos percentages? And if i save aether ray chaos modifier, would both aether damage % ( since i have full convert ) and chaos ( since it it's main source ) affect overall spell damage? I think it should work this way but i don't know for sure, but if it does it's basically twice as powerfull as any of those pure builds.
Last edited by OnlyOffensive; May 26, 2018 @ 1:12pm
Nightryderace May 26, 2018 @ 1:39pm 
No, it would not be affected by both Aether and Chaos. If you change your Ray to Chaos damage, then only Chaos bonuses would affect the damage.
OnlyOffensive May 26, 2018 @ 1:59pm 
but if i have 100% chaos damage converted to aether than all chaos damage i get should add to aether modifier on top of aether modifier itself, should it not?
Anathema May 26, 2018 @ 4:23pm 
The Chaos would get converted to Aether before any +%Chaos damage bonus applies, so only +%Aether would matter.
OnlyOffensive May 26, 2018 @ 5:05pm 
So basically any +chaos damage is worthless? Than i don't understand why that set has +chaos damage or why skills like fabric of reality exists. Or i supposed to have like 50/50 so both modifiers would work?
Last edited by OnlyOffensive; May 26, 2018 @ 5:10pm
OnlyOffensive May 27, 2018 @ 1:29pm 
so basically this set is useless? Even if i go 50/50 aether ray would only scale from +aether and only part where i can get any bonus on chaos modifier would be doom bolt?
KG May 27, 2018 @ 1:51pm 
The set only converts ~40% chaos to aether. It isn't a bad thing that it boosts the less-favored damage types; most good sets do that. Sure it is better to convert it all but a set isn't meant to railroad you into one possibility nor should they only support builds with perfect gear.

Why would 50/50 or full conversion make the set useless? It has more Aether bonuses than Chaos and All Damage on each set piece to boot. Clairvoyant has been for a while and continues to be a powerful set. Even without the set the hat is one of the best items in game for anything that needs CDR.
OnlyOffensive May 27, 2018 @ 2:16pm 
Originally posted by KG:
The set only converts ~40% chaos to aether. It isn't a bad thing that it boosts the less-favored damage types; most good sets do that. Sure it is better to convert it all but a set isn't meant to railroad you into one possibility nor should they only support builds with perfect gear.

Why would 50/50 or full conversion make the set useless? It has more Aether bonuses than Chaos and All Damage on each set piece to boot. Clairvoyant has been for a while and continues to be a powerful set. Even without the set the hat is one of the best items in game for anything that needs CDR.

Yea, but the thing i dont understand - this set is basically meant for warlock, but only 2 really "Chaos" spells are aether ray and doom bolt, as people above said, modified aether ray doesnt recieve any +chaos damage bonuses...or does it if it's 50/50? Basically what i want to know is there any reason to have +chaos damage modifier with 40-50% convert? Would it affect chaotic aether ray or not?
Last edited by OnlyOffensive; May 27, 2018 @ 2:16pm
KG May 27, 2018 @ 2:51pm 
Let's start back at the beginning.

1) Conversion can only happen once.
2) Converted damage uses % bonuses from the damage type it has been converted to.
3) Conversion has an order in which each type takes effect: On the skill itself (including skill modifiers from gear) -> skill transmuters (like Tainted Power) -> stuff (gear, auras, etc. and some of this happens before others in this category) -> armor piercing

If you convert 50% of a skill's damage to a new damage type, half the damage needs the original damage type's % bonuses and half the damage needs the new damage type's bonuses. So with only Clairvoyant's conversion, Doom Bolt will want both Aether and Chaos damage bonuses (though more conversion to Aether is optimal).

If you convert Aether Ray with Tainted Power there is no more Aether damage on it even with Clairvoyant's conversion because conversion only happens once - you need Chaos damage bonuses.
Last edited by KG; May 27, 2018 @ 2:53pm
OnlyOffensive May 27, 2018 @ 2:55pm 
yea tnx for detailed answer, so that's why this set makes little sense to me in terms of "duality" between chaos and aether, because only doom bolt can be really dual, aether ray is impossible to make mixed as far as i got this. Main reason because i wanted to know is the dying god devotion, since i have it now i want to know whether i need to remove it or not if i want to play with aether ray.

Oh right there is also sigil spell with some kind of chaos in it, but i don't really like that spell.
Last edited by OnlyOffensive; May 27, 2018 @ 2:57pm
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