Need help with attribute allocation

[Towerbooks3192]

Any tips when it comes to allocating attributes? I am really worried about doing it wrong since I know we only get 1 respec potion when we finish the main game. Like I was wondering if I want a certain character archetype like a caster, tank,range, etc, which attributes should I be focusing on?

[Rikkore]

put everything in physique then just save some later on for spirit to equip some amulet/rings etc

[Towerbooks3192]

Originally posted by Rikkore:

put everything in physique then just save some later on for spirit to equip some amulet/rings etc

Really? I was worried I was missing out on not pumping cunning and spirit. Like my last character was a warder and at level 60 I pumped 55 on physique and 5 on cunning. It does feel I die longer compared to my other previous characters but I was worried that I am missing out on things.

I was starting a new character recently, which is a soldier that mainly uses Laceration and had done most on physique but sunk around 8 on cunning. Now I am worried that I am making a bad decision.

My other worry is if I am gonna do a caster, wouldn't it be hard for me to keep up offense if I pump physique and neglect spirit?

[Matthew]

Gear, devotions and skills scale damage way more than attributes.

Physique scales the best out of the three. You will always nearly benefit the most out of raising physique over the other attributes.

[Rikkore]

Originally posted by Towerbooks3192:

Originally posted by Rikkore:

put everything in physique then just save some later on for spirit to equip some amulet/rings etc

Really? I was worried I was missing out on not pumping cunning and spirit. Like my last character was a warder and at level 60 I pumped 55 on physique and 5 on cunning. It does feel I die longer compared to my other previous characters but I was worried that I am missing out on things.

I was starting a new character recently, which is a soldier that mainly uses Laceration and had done most on physique but sunk around 8 on cunning. Now I am worried that I am making a bad decision.

My other worry is if I am gonna do a caster, wouldn't it be hard for me to keep up offense if I pump physique and neglect spirit?

No not really. Unless you're playing a full on AAR build (Albrecht's aether ray) which really requires a ton of energy and energy regen.

physique just benefits you overall. higher life, life regen, and DA (defense ability) which is basically like evasiveness.

you can easily solve energy problems with ectoplasm components early on.

[Towerbooks3192]

Originally posted by Rikkore:

Originally posted by Towerbooks3192:

Really? I was worried I was missing out on not pumping cunning and spirit. Like my last character was a warder and at level 60 I pumped 55 on physique and 5 on cunning. It does feel I die longer compared to my other previous characters but I was worried that I am missing out on things.

I was starting a new character recently, which is a soldier that mainly uses Laceration and had done most on physique but sunk around 8 on cunning. Now I am worried that I am making a bad decision.

My other worry is if I am gonna do a caster, wouldn't it be hard for me to keep up offense if I pump physique and neglect spirit?

No not really. Unless you're playing a full on AAR build (Albrecht's aether ray) which really requires a ton of energy and energy regen.

physique just benefits you overall. higher life, life regen, and DA (defense ability) which is basically like evasiveness.

you can easily solve energy problems with ectoplasm components early on.

Ok. How about my damage output? Like let's say in melee and range. How does that work? Like are there other better ways to pump it up than cunning?

[Matthew]

As I said, gear, devotions, and skills will scale damage.

Actually, by raising physique you end up with more damage in the long run, because it allows you to wear more dps items which will benefit you more than trying to raise spirit or cunning.

Out of all the ways to scale damage, % damage gives the smallest amount because you end up with so much of it already. Items with increased speed or offensive ability and crit damage will push your damage much more. Physique will give you the defenses you need to live so you can wear items which increase your OA and speed.

[Towerbooks3192]

Originally posted by Matthew:

As I said, gear, devotions, and skills will scale damage.

Actually, by raising physique you end up with more damage in the long run, because it allows you to wear more dps items which will benefit you more than trying to raise spirit or cunning.

Out of all the ways to scale damage, % damage gives the smallest amount because you end up with so much of it already. Items with increased speed or offensive ability and crit damage will push your damage much more. Physique will give you the defenses you need to live so you can wear items which increase your OA and speed.

That makes more sense. I guess I have been focusing too much on the stats and neglecting the equipments and I also need to read through the devotions. Those are one of the things that seem very complex to me.

Last question, regardless of being able to respec with the potion, how lenient are the attributes and how big of a number of investing in the wrong attribute will I start to feel it? I was thinking of using my respec potion just because invested on 8 points of cunning for a melee soldier focusing on bleed damage with the use of laceration and possibly branching to the final shaman skill that pumps up bleeding.

[KG]

I haven't exactly done any blind testing but it seems to become noticeable somewhere between 10 and 20 points spent outside of physique - with how many depending on the class and build.

[myhr2]

My advice for devotions is to use Grimtools to plan ahead. Select a Tier 3 constellation that fits your build, and then try to reach it by grabing mostly relevant constellations on the way.
link to grimtools : https://www.grimtools.com/calc/
if you want some suggestions, feel free to say what build you plan to play (classes, your main skill, and what type of damage you want to focus on)

Also, don't stress too much about attributes, you get one reset potion in the expac per difficulty, and unless you have a very special and advanced build, physique is king, which limits the possible errors, and even then, your character won't be ruined if you have 10-20 points in Cunning and/or Spirit.

[Towerbooks3192]

Originally posted by myhr2:

My advice for devotions is to use Grimtools to plan ahead. Select a Tier 3 constellation that fits your build, and then try to reach it by grabing mostly relevant constellations on the way.
link to grimtools : https://www.grimtools.com/calc/
if you want some suggestions, feel free to say what build you plan to play (classes, your main skill, and what type of damage you want to focus on)

Also, don't stress too much about attributes, you get one reset potion in the expac per difficulty, and unless you have a very special and advanced build, physique is king, which limits the possible errors, and even then, your character won't be ruined if you have 10-20 points in Cunning and/or Spirit.

Thanks. I never thought of looking at it that way when it comes to devotions. I was kinda worried when people here suggested about physique then realised I sunk around 8 on the other character that I was trying to do. I wanted to know how lenient it was to see how urgently I needed to use the potion I got from one of my characters. I guess I will respec ones he gets his own one then and save the one I currently got for emergencies.

[OnlyOffensive]

I think putting everything into physique is the best regardless of normal or hardcore mode, you end up with more health and more defense stats, other attributes don't kick in terms of value imo, since they are oriented on damage, but you will have enough damage from other sources.

[Matthew]

Originally posted by KG:

I haven't exactly done any blind testing but it seems to become noticeable somewhere between 10 and 20 points spent outside of physique - with how many depending on the class and build.

Yeah the total impact per point isn't that noticeable. I'd agree that 10-20 points "misplaced" out of physique isn't going to be that impactful. Which means you would need to make a concentrated effort to put too many points into cunning or physique.

And even then, misplaced points into cunning isn't completely terrible so I'd argue it really isn't that impactful until you start putting a lot of points into spirit (beyond what you need for gear of course).

[minja]

Also, potions of clarity and reshaping have a chance to drop from nemesis bosses. I've used at least 4 or 5 reshaping potions on one character and still have 4 in the (non-shared) stash.

[Towerbooks3192]

Originally posted by minja:

Also, potions of clarity and reshaping have a chance to drop from nemesis bosses. I've used at least 4 or 5 reshaping potions on one character and still have 4 in the (non-shared) stash.

Never knew they do. Like I thought you can craft them or not and they can only be found after the main game.

[myhr2]

I can confirm that potions that devotion reset potions drop from Nemesis chests, and also from the Crucible, but didn't drop the attribute reset potion. I've red somewhere that they also drop, but I suspect they're quite less common. I don't think you can craft them, tho.

That being said, wait until you're at high level before using a potion, I find it always reassuring when I have a spare potion in my storage, even when I know exactly how I'll reset attributes, might be some kind of OCD thing.