Defiler Build??

[SteffanBFC]

So for each class there are several builds. some strong builds like the cabalist and some less strong builds like DeathKnight Builds.. and we have the defiler, with just NO builds, No good items, NO sense for this class? there is ZERO synergie for demo and necro. so crate why the defiler exists and why u dont support this option???

[Tiranoslav]

Exotic builds are a challenge for those who are tired of the meta.

[Geir]

Well I try a lot of new mixes which none even seen to be used, you can always find items to mix into it, the issue is more finding the right combination of skills and points set for maximum effect and walk away with the stupid idea in the first place.

[frdnwsm]

Demo and Neco sounds viable to me. Grenado pumps out huge damage while your skellies and such run up and harass the enemy. Mind you I may be biased; I love Demolitionist combined with pretty much anything.

[SteffanBFC]

Originally posted by frdnwsm:

Demo and Neco sounds viable to me. Grenado pumps out huge damage while your skellies and such run up and harass the enemy. Mind you I may be biased; I love Demolitionist combined with pretty much anything.

this just wont work.. hybrid build would work with vitality or lightning. but with fire its just impossible to beat ultimate cause there arent items for pet and fire on too many slots

[Azunai]

makes for a decent pet build. can't think of much else that would make sense, though. tred one. probably about on par with a pet deathknight or a pet apostate or something. pet cabalist will probably be stronger in the long run since it has more buffs

EDIT: also, there is blazeheart
http://www.grimtools.com/db/items/11200

seems to be an automatic quest reward ? only finished ultimate once, but got it on ultimate after turning in the quest for daila thornsbury. so a DW fire defiler using necro converted vit stuff + fire strike might be a thing. kinda generic, but the same can be said about most auto attack meta builds, so would fit right in i guess.

[fana-m]

Hey,
just throing my two cents into this.
This is my actual defiler http://www.grimtools.com/calc/dVbKXDOZ
A bit squishy but kinda fun to play.

Build mostly around vit dmg.
Using the Blight as a tank, with the morta as aoe dmg dealer.
The rest is hit and run

[powbam]

Originally posted by Azunai:

so a DW fire defiler using necro converted vit stuff + fire strike might be a thing. kinda generic, but the same can be said about most auto attack meta builds, so would fit right in i guess.

Or you could go DW melee or ranged/Firestrike/Necro WPS and focus on Elemental damage. You would be basically duct-taping the synergy in to the build thru gear and Devotions but I don't see why it couldn't work.

[Rylocke]

Originally posted by SteffanBFC:

Originally posted by frdnwsm:

Demo and Neco sounds viable to me. Grenado pumps out huge damage while your skellies and such run up and harass the enemy. Mind you I may be biased; I love Demolitionist combined with pretty much anything.

this just wont work.. hybrid build would work with vitality or lightning. but with fire its just impossible to beat ultimate cause there arent items for pet and fire on too many slots

This made me chuckle a bit since the king pet hybrid build is fire. But I suppose when talking Necro it would be better to focus on vitality.

However, I think the only viable options would be a full Necro which simply uses Demo buffs and debuffs or something which relies on item skill modifiers (namely Fire Strike with this[www.grimtools.com] or BWC with this[www.grimtools.com]) or items with damage conversion. I don't think any builds which aren't heavily reliant on specific items would be very good, but those two links I posted would make for an AWESOME build with Necro procs, vitality damage, buffs, debuffs, etc.

Edit: After re-reading the original post and your comment about fire pet hybrids, I realize that you weren't looking for build suggestions, you were merely ranting.

Simply because you aren't *aware* of items or synergies hardly means they don't exist. I'd suggest going to grimtools website and searching through item descriptions for conversions, item skill bonuses, mastery skill bonuses, etc. There are actually quite a few that I found while posting initially when I thought you were looking for a build idea.

[Finnvbot]

Defiler is a bit of a Titan Quest-y class, if you will. The synergies aren't as obvious as, let's say, between Nightblade and Arcanist. However, given the damage conversion and procs/skills on various items, the vast devotion tree, etc. you can come up with seemingly outrageous combinations which turn out to be at least viable.

[SteffanBFC]

ok i got it now.. defiler with fire strike and double myth dreadfire (for convert fire to aether) is amazing strong. but this build is way toooo hidden and not reachable for casual gamer.

[Blind]

The best I've come up with is a Pet-Retaliation build. It relies on cheap fast exploding skeletons. You won't get nearly as much retaliation as a tank build, but you multiply that retalation damage 8fold (or more) against melee AoE users...

Gearing: Get all the Pet-Retlatiation items you can find, they are exceptionally rare. You'll also need lots of skill ups on summon skeleton so you get more shield-bearers.

Max out - Flame Touched+Temper to get retalation scaling on your pets. Choose between Blackwater Cocktail or Ravenous Earth, they don't stack - you only need one and it's for the resistance down. Then choose between Fire Strike or Bone Harvest for your primary attack.

Flame Touched is one of the rare ways to get more Offensive Rating on pets, which means more crits and damage in general.

Devotions: Hound, Shepard's Crook (ability on your main attack), Wolverine for retalation amp. Panther is optional to get more offensive rating on your pets to get access to on-crit effects.

Other than that, Rattosh contains a lot of Vitality damage . You CAN put an attack devotion skill on Raise Skeleton and your Skeletons will use it... So things like Will of Rattosh or Bull Rush can increae your Skeleton output. Wendigo Mark, Twin Fangs or Scorpion Sting can increase skeleton lifetime. Tainted Erruption can keep a target Confusion locked (which doesn't really help against bosses, but is funny).

Also, because each skeleton TYPE counts as its own source - Oleron's Blind Fury can stack... it might only stack two or three times, not 8 since you will inevitably have duplicate skeletons... this adds some rather whimsical amounts of internal trauma/physical damage and takes care of your Static Resitance Reduction, in case you don't want to use either Blackwater Cocktail or Ravenous Earth... but Elemental Storm from Rhowan's Crown is probably better overall if stacking fire.

Huntress Rend is good on skeletons, but the Demolitionist component of this equation doesn't synergize with it as well as a Nightblade/Necromancer would.

[Tomkatt]

Not sure if it's viable, but I'm using Demo main with Necro for support and base stats. Pretty much only speccing 25 into Necro for skellies, blight fiend bombs, and maybe Siphon Souls if it turns out useful. Otherwise maxing out demo. I figure with four skeletons and 3 blight fiends as target dummies (with blight fiends taking threat), it should help with survival while maxing out Demo skills.

[Tomkatt]

Originally posted by BBX:

The best I've come up with is a Pet-Retaliation build. It relies on cheap fast exploding skeletons.

What's this about exloding skeletons? I want to do this, but it doesn't seem to be a thing, only the exploding Blight Fiends.

[Blind]

Originally posted by Tomkatt:

Originally posted by BBX:

The best I've come up with is a Pet-Retaliation build. It relies on cheap fast exploding skeletons.

What's this about exloding skeletons? I want to do this, but it doesn't seem to be a thing, only the exploding Blight Fiends.

I didn't mean a literal exploding skeletons, but rather skeletons with a ton of ret damage

[Altolong]

some gear can convert fire to cold or fire to aether.