NiGHTS into Dreams...

NiGHTS into Dreams...

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FlowerCatta Aug 15, 2019 @ 1:54pm
Is Nights a male or a female?
I forgot, I think it's a female?

:HentaiGirlBetty_model: or :HentaiGirlBetty_waiter:?
Originally posted by Dark Redshift:
NiGHTS is a girl. She looks like a girl, she's voiced by a girl (especially in the sequel), she's a girl. The confusion comes from the fact she is meant to literally have no gender, as she is based on a real philosophical idea about dreams and psyche, called a shadow (not that one) as revealed in the bonus video in the HD versions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kETrX6h1yAM

Some people may see this supposed shadow as a male or female depending on their own gender or if they associate their shadow with someone important to them. Takashi goes with the idea that the shadow is an alternate self, who takes the gender of the dreamer, which is why NiGHTS has none: she appears differently to different people.

Of course, the usual thing people -especially fans- think of when they hear genderless applied literally* is to either make the character female anyway with exaggerated female anatony and call her genderless (like Renamon from Digimon), or make them a female hermaphrodite. The only time I saw an aversion to this was the Magypsies in Mother 3, which poked fun at the common interpretation of genderless beings by depicting them as stereotypes of both genders, to make the fact they have none less confusing than with NiGHTS (as the latter definitely looks like a girl).


Side note:

It's also the reason why Mother 3 was never officially localised, as nintendo of america quit once they reached the first magypsy part: they wanted the magypsies censored or cut in the earthbound 2 version of Mother 3 and Itoi rightly put his foot down and said no, presumably because he was sick of nintendo of america's s.hit, so NoA dropped it entirely because they wrongly thought kids shouldn't see that, which is incidentally why the vast majority of western nintendo games, other games on their systems and Sonic games (especially from the 80s and 90s) suck balls. Thankfully, that's less common now, especially on Switch but it's still an issue.


*Literally as in, not transgender in IRL terms as we currently lack the science to literally bend someone's sex; we can so far only create the illusion of such. No offence intended.
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Kibo Aug 16, 2019 @ 10:06am 
NiGHTS is whatever you want it to be, y'know, that was the intention, but it's a SHE AND MY OPINION IS RIGHT!
Ignigknawt Aug 16, 2019 @ 3:37pm 
NiGHTS is a "they"
Abraxas Aug 21, 2019 @ 12:46pm 
Intentionally androgynous so you can interpret however you want.
Tyr Sep 12, 2019 @ 6:02am 
Did you just assume they have a gender?
FlowerCatta Sep 12, 2019 @ 7:02am 
Originally posted by Tyr:
Did you just assume they have a gender?
Uhh... I don't know... maybe?
PirataOfChaos Sep 23, 2019 @ 4:36pm 
Agree, NiGHTS is officially sexless but NiGHTS identity can be up to interpretation for any dreamer just like the dreams and everything else that happens in the game. Whatever you choose it will be right because that's how you see NiGHTS lml
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Dark Redshift Sep 27, 2019 @ 1:17pm 
NiGHTS is a girl. She looks like a girl, she's voiced by a girl (especially in the sequel), she's a girl. The confusion comes from the fact she is meant to literally have no gender, as she is based on a real philosophical idea about dreams and psyche, called a shadow (not that one) as revealed in the bonus video in the HD versions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kETrX6h1yAM

Some people may see this supposed shadow as a male or female depending on their own gender or if they associate their shadow with someone important to them. Takashi goes with the idea that the shadow is an alternate self, who takes the gender of the dreamer, which is why NiGHTS has none: she appears differently to different people.

Of course, the usual thing people -especially fans- think of when they hear genderless applied literally* is to either make the character female anyway with exaggerated female anatony and call her genderless (like Renamon from Digimon), or make them a female hermaphrodite. The only time I saw an aversion to this was the Magypsies in Mother 3, which poked fun at the common interpretation of genderless beings by depicting them as stereotypes of both genders, to make the fact they have none less confusing than with NiGHTS (as the latter definitely looks like a girl).


Side note:

It's also the reason why Mother 3 was never officially localised, as nintendo of america quit once they reached the first magypsy part: they wanted the magypsies censored or cut in the earthbound 2 version of Mother 3 and Itoi rightly put his foot down and said no, presumably because he was sick of nintendo of america's s.hit, so NoA dropped it entirely because they wrongly thought kids shouldn't see that, which is incidentally why the vast majority of western nintendo games, other games on their systems and Sonic games (especially from the 80s and 90s) suck balls. Thankfully, that's less common now, especially on Switch but it's still an issue.


*Literally as in, not transgender in IRL terms as we currently lack the science to literally bend someone's sex; we can so far only create the illusion of such. No offence intended.
Last edited by Dark Redshift; Sep 27, 2019 @ 1:21pm
alx_ndr Oct 2, 2019 @ 4:13pm 
Originally posted by Dark Redshift:
Sonic games (especially from the 80s and 90s) suck balls.

that's really where you think the franchise went downhill, huh?
FlowerCatta Oct 2, 2019 @ 4:13pm 
Originally posted by alx_ndr:
Originally posted by Dark Redshift:
Sonic games (especially from the 80s and 90s) suck balls.

that's really where you think the franchise went downhill, huh?
Huh.
Ikagura Oct 12, 2019 @ 4:20am 
Sonic didn't exist in the 80's
mdesaleah Oct 12, 2019 @ 5:47am 
Actually the post you marked as the answer is incorrect. NiGHTS does not have a gender. That’s one of the most important part of the character. In the sequel they are voiced by a woman, Bieber, the characters refer to them as “he” to balance it out
Last edited by mdesaleah; Oct 12, 2019 @ 5:47am
marrow_c57 Jan 22, 2020 @ 1:19am 
Nights is not a male or female according to the USA Sega Saturn instruction manual.
Dark Redshift Mar 12, 2020 @ 3:26pm 
Originally posted by alx_ndr:
Originally posted by Dark Redshift:
Sonic games (especially from the 80s and 90s) suck balls.

that's really where you think the franchise went downhill, huh?
I never said Sonic games suck. I said their english dubs suck. (Except Shadow the Hedgehog's) Guess I should have worded it better.

Originally posted by Ikagura:
Sonic didn't exist in the 80's

No s.hit Sherlock, I was referring to western versions of Japanese games in general from the 80s and 90s, Sonic included in the latter of those decades.
Last edited by Dark Redshift; Mar 12, 2020 @ 3:28pm
Dark Redshift Mar 12, 2020 @ 3:32pm 
Originally posted by mdesaleah:
Actually the post you marked as the answer is incorrect. NiGHTS does not have a gender. That’s one of the most important part of the character. In the sequel they are voiced by a woman, Bieber, the characters refer to them as “he” to balance it out

If you read the post properly, you'd know I already said she's genderless and can be seen as either male or female, based on the video in this quote:

Originally posted by Dark Redshift:
The confusion comes from the fact she is meant to literally have no gender, as she is based on a real philosophical idea about dreams and psyche, called a shadow (not that one) as revealed in the bonus video in the HD versions:
https://youtu.be/kETrX6h1yAM

NiGHTS is voiced by a girl and looks like one so she comes across as one. If they wanted to make the distinction clearer, they could have gone the Magyspy route, but then nobody would play the game as the magypsies look creepy and were designed that way for laughs.
Last edited by Dark Redshift; Mar 12, 2020 @ 3:37pm
Ikagura Mar 12, 2020 @ 3:37pm 
Nights is genderless by design btw.
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