If I steal the tallbird egg and hatch it, would the baby tallbird attack me when it grows?

[RobiePAX]

Hi, I've heard that the baby tallbird loses its loyalty towards you as it grows. Is that true, meaning it's not worth hatching it in the first place?

[J20Hawkz]

It will grow upto full adult size then try and kill you yes. Tbh it's just for a bit of fun. Having an egg, hatching it, feeding it, protecting it etc...

[RobiePAX]

Yeah but I hoped the bird would become loyal... You know like the dog or any other animal who you raise from it first days. So it would become a permanent companion/follower.

Oh well, are there any other more trustworthy companions in the game? I know there are pigmen, but they are more of muscle for hire who you must pay every day with meat. Not to mention those idiots eat monter meat if I don't pick it up...

[J20Hawkz]

Only chester. What the developers wanted was a game where you feel isolated. With no friendly companion to stand by our sides. Chester was a good addition to at least give us some company. That's why everyone loves him. Everything in Don't Starve is a potential threat, obviously apart from any passive creatures. The tall bird is a good example of wild instincts taking over. At the end of the day it's a wild creature that you stole from its natural environment as an egg. Once it realises you are not of its kind you have had it. Just as it is in the real world.

[RobiePAX]

Well I guess I understand what you mean. It's hard to find companions because it was designed that way by the devs... Thanks for info. I guess I'll stick with muscle for hire.

Though I don't agree with your last statement. Humans have proven that we can tame any animal. Even dangerous animals such as bears, tigers, lions. If they were raised by humans, they won't attack humans without a reason. Simply because it can kill you doesn't mean it will, most people you see on the street can murder you, doesn't mean they will without reason. Animals equally get attached to someone and will protect it.

[J20Hawkz]

Well I disagree with your disagree. Any wild animal has the potential to attack for no reason. Its called natural instincts. I'm talking about dangerous animals like lions, tigers, bears as well. The tamer always runs the risk of the animal going wild and attacking them. If that lion or tiger gets hungry it will eat you. End of. If you search on youtube you'll come across millions of instances where animals have attacked their trainer for no reason. Here is a less violent example.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gW_x-2MXrkI

[RobiePAX]

I know what is called natural instinct. I never said animals don't have it. For that specific video you claim there is "no reason", that is was a random attack? From reading the comments I see I'm not the only one who noticed from the very beginning that the 2nd guy for some reason fears/was nervous. Lions sense that. Not to mention that idiot cornered himself beside the wall, that is like daring the creature to follow the instinct. Notice how it did NOT care about the 1st guy, its target was specifically the other guy and only him even while being pushed back by the bald guy.

Also you confuse what I said. I was referring to animals who live on the farms with people from the very birth. Even Lions or Bears. There are extremely rare cases when a beast attacked its owner for "no reason". I am referring to caring owner, not abusing owner which might give a reason for an attack. While you are referring to Zoo animals. You say there is no reason for them to attack... They are being stared at by thousands of loud people every day through the transparent glass or cages who also use flashing cameras. Yes that is a legitimate reason to make them nervous and restless. Not to mention not all animals in the zoo were born in there, so were brought in there from the wild who are not used to the humans.

P.S. All of this is not related to Don't Starve xDD

[J20Hawkz]

I read the comments. Yeah someone said the trainer was fearful, but what does he know. I say get him in there and then see what fear is.

Lions and tigers living on a farm? Dude seriously? A farm? No way mate. J20Hawkz fails to believe this.

My general point is this. Dangerous animals will always be dangerous. A hungry dangerous animal is the most dangerous of them all.

One example. Lets take a domestic cat. Well lets take my next door neighbours pet cat as an example called Tango. This cat was born and raised with loving care and and affection. Home cooked meals regularly, a warm cosy basket and plenty of cat pet toys for it to play with. Once however the owner was sitting on her couch drinking some tea. Her cat was curious and leapt onto her owners lap. Tea went every where and she yelled at the cat. Big mistake. For the next week or so Tango had some personal vendetta against the owner. It hissed and scratched at her everytime she went to pet it.

Now imagine a tiger or lion in this same scenario. Forget hissing or scratching, this beast will tear your limbs off!

Next I present you with a video of a bear attacking someone. My point is see how quickly it can turn on someone. Viewer discretion is advised. I have warned you.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HqfQ67aTv_I

Believe what you want mate. I see someone who raises tigers or lions as pets I call them crazy. They are playing with death. And J20Hawkz never risks his life unless absolutely necessary.

[J20Hawkz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von PortalOrange:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von J20Hawkz:

Chester was a good addition to at least give us some company. That's why everyone loves him.

Speak for yourself I hate that bastard.

So throw away the Ibone and be done with him.

[RobiePAX]

Well firstly "viewer discreation", please... nothing is shown gory. That video is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of stupidity. The bear performed a trick, it's clear he's waiting for a treat as always you can tell that by the look, they didn't. Some genious decided to put a random dude(from what I understand the cousin of the trainer) that the bear doesn't even know of. I don't even... I'm not a professional trainer but even I see a problem in that.

Yes, it's a big and dangerous beast. Don't play with it! This entire argument started from the word "loyalty". I meant the beast will not attack its master. For instance if you cared for the baby bear from it's young age and it recognizes you are it master, then it will not attack you. In fact it will rip to pieces anyone(even human) who it "feels" is threatening it or you(the master). There had been tons of cases where the dangerous animal tried to defend it master or trainer. Sometimes from a legitimate attack, sometimes mistaking attack for a simple loud disagreement. And animals don't defend with "words". But in most cases the beast never attacks the owner, that's where I'm getting at. It's not normal. Of course there are beasts that indeed attacked their owners, but it's rare to get such rabid behaviour if you haven't done anything to the animal. Humans are no different, there are indeed "rabid people", but we usually call them murderers or sick people who kill without any reason or conflict.

Farms yes, you don't expect walking a bear in the city are you. In many countries though it's prohibited to own a dangerous animal. Even though I find that logic slightly stupid, since a horse or some dogs can murder a human in seconds. Also a fuzzy video to ease the tension of the topic :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqKPswqyPrc

[J20Hawkz]

I can't find comfort in that. Dangerous animals can never truly be tamed by anyone. At any moment they can flip and that's it. We are talking about natural born killers. These animals show no affection to their own kind and you really think a fully grown male lion gives 2 cents about a human? Male lions kill their own just for dominance. They are killers.

Yes it works the same way humans do as well. For example, there have been countless cases where a child has attacked their parents. The chance of it happening with animals that are born to kill does not even compare to us humans. We have the ability to think we decide what is wrong or right, when to stop, when to start. Yes people kill each other we know that, and those people are no better than animals. But animals such as tigers and lions don't think. Once they flip it doesn't matter who you are if that animal decides to go for you, might as well say your prayers.

Comparing human behaviour to animal behaviour is a different subject altogether. If I was raising a lion in my home and I got killed people will call me a fool. If I adopted a child and raised them and they grew up to kill me I wouldn't be called a fool would I. Every man or woman who thinks they can gain the trust of an animal as dangerous as the ones we are talking about runs the risk of death. Yes the animal will protect you from an intruder, but to these animals anything that it is not familiar with, it will attack. This has been scientifically proven. Animal instinct is very powerful, it is in their blood, their genes.

Pets such as pits, staffs, rottweilers have all been known to attack and maul their owners in many cases. Are you telling me a lion can be tamed to the same level as a dog? Mate you have to be seriously delusional to believe that is possible.

I mean no disrespect to you. If you wish to carry on discussing please do. I will get you to change your mind :)

[Sue D. Nim]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von RobiePAX:

I was referring to animals who live on the farms with people from the very birth. Even Lions or Bears.

Seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDZaWgf_bk0&list=FL35GEkZKW9m6FAyXD_kOHNg&index=21

[J20Hawkz]

Awesome. I wonder if Harrods are still selling lion cubs..... It's called marketing. And if you look closely 'their' lion had a small mark under its upper right leg side. The one they 'apparently' say later did not have this mark. So it leads me to believe it was not the same lion.

[RobiePAX]

You are simply drawing a line for your convenience what is a pet, and what is a wild beast. What can only scratch you and what can kill you. That is a common way of thinking and indeed how society works today. That's why some big dogs are outlawed in few countries.
But I'm not drawing a line, I see an animal in big beasts or small beasts and believe the beast will not hurt you without a good "reason". I'm not naive and understand that "reason" can not only be me, but also how the beast was treated by humans such as myself in the past, or it simply is not used to humans yet. And as you have said, they are... not as intellegent as humans, they might see a threat where there is none and by insinct defend themselves or the master.

Yet simply because they are strong creatures I don't see them a lost cause. That they can't be tamed and become loyal equally as smaller animals. Once again, millions of wild animals have proven that they can live together with humans without any safeguards and sadly enough animals have proven they might attack people too. Yet still I want to point out that dangerous animals that live on ranches or private farms get significantly less of such aggression cases than animals who are being kept in cages for public amusement, or trained to perform in circuses or movies. These animals are under constant stress...

I mean no disrespect either, your opinion is perfectly valid and popular. You and me simply have completely different ideas. You truly believe there's a limit of what a human can call a pet. I truly believe that size doesn't make the difference. Animal can also "feel", it may be depressed for months if the master leaves it, that is emotion. If there is emotion, there may be loyalty depending how you treat the animal from it early age. Naturally it's too late trying to tame an old beast who is used to the wild life.
Well anyway, I think that is my last post... don't really want Steam moderator to ban us. We went far too.... far, with this "loyalty" topic. I think from this thread I learned something, that it's better off just eating Tallbird egg xD

[J20Hawkz]

Lol. Lets draw the line then mate. In truth I enjoyed this debate quite a bit. It was different to the ones I have. Very....erm...educational.

P.S I am moderator. So don't worry lol.

[Vi]

miaw... my chester attacked by beefalo.. I want safety sleep when hound attacking..
but that beefalo keep kill my chester.. :(
I have to make a base away from beefalo.. :(