Bundling Wrap/Bundling supplies needs a serious nerf or rework (Klei fix this!)

[Justice]

This new portable 4 free item slots "chest" completely prevents stop spoiling all together, re-usable at cost 1 rope allows you to horde food, rare ingridients, ice, light bulbs, criters and other items that can perish for infinite amount of time. Meaning you will never have to make food, farm, loot once you collected disarable amount.

Bundling supplies absolutely diminish any value of ice box, which the whole point of ice box is preserving food from spoiling.

Holding just 2 bunding wraps give you same amount inventory space as regular backpack. Take more and it just direct upgrade to backpack.Now I don't know if you can put Bunding supplies inside another bunding supplies,but if YOU CAN then it's completely broken.

To my point of view bundling wrap is even cheesier and more overpowered than many other cheesy mods. I would not expected for developers to release such untested broken item that destroy a heavy amount of challenge out of the game

[Justice]

Here several ways to ballance it:
1) After opening bundling supplies wax papper will be destroyed
2) Bundling wrap doesn't preserve food from spoiling at all
3) Bundling wrap slow down food spoiling, but lower than ice box.

[Maiq]

Yeah i agree completely stopping spoilage seems too much but the main use is to save important items like light bulbs ham bat and coffee so if you change it it will be kinda worthless.

And honeycomb is unrenewable in DS so there is limited amount of bundling wrap can be crafted so it will not replace icebox.

Anyway you are not forced to use it if you think it make the game easy.
Just saying

[Justice]

Originally posted by JackFied!:

Yeah i agree completely stopping spoilage seems too much but the main use is to save important items like light bulbs ham bat and coffee so if you change it it will be kinda worthless.

I disagree with you about the main purpose of bundling wrap. Very 1st idea of the use was packng extra items that you don't have space in your inventory. It might be alternative to extra slot mod. And there you go: you can wear season clothes or armour and have place to put your items in. Still a very powerful and usefull item, adding complete spoiling prevention - is just overkill.

[Rio]

They're a bit less broken if they require the ancient tab to craft

Can't use them in adventure mode then. And you actually gotta work for them. And to reuse them, you gotta go all the way back or use the brain of thought.

[Justice]

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

Nope & nope.

If OP hate bundling wrap so much simply don't use them or make your own "balanced" steam workshop mod for them.

They work as intended and are for mega base 2000 day worlds.
They are completelly fine as is.

Only thing they could change to be able to aquire them you would need to kill a mini version of bee queen. Cause her fight is fun and she drops nice stuff like bee crowns <3

You have mods, if you don't like challenge and ballance

[Rio]

If you don't like challenge and balance play WX

Highest stats
Poison immunity
Infinite speed boost (rip wilbur)
Infinite light that does not require head, chest, or hand slot (Rip willow)
Spoilage does not matter (In yo face wickerbottom)
Has a non-spoiled food source (gears)
Can go insane whenever the player wishes via thunderbirds
Wetness prevents death from charlie at night
High max hp makes meat effigy a no brainer (Rip Maxwell)

Only downside is lower starting stats. As since Rog, no character desires being wet and its bad for them all. The only exception is cooling down in dry season via waves or if you want insanity, which again, wx can do effortlessly with a thunderbird.

A mod maker would have to intentionally be trying to make a broken character to be a tier over WX. The only thing he's really missing is wolfgang's strength or wigfrid's damage reduction/life steal.

[Justice]

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

Nope YOU have mods if you want challenge or balance. Klei never claimed to make a "balanced" game, look how medicore just wormwoods is for example.
This thread is really just bait now ...

There is never a need to change something which works 100% as intended like in DST.
Wraps are a long overdue change and should been in the game already in 2015.
But alas getting the blueprint from a unique miniboss i wouldn't mind :3

example:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=273178473&searchtext=thirst

Then explain why they even change craft recipes and stats of items in 1st plase? For example boat torch used to require wood plank instead of twigs to make, Pirate hat used to give same amount of sanity as tam of shanter, but latter was nerfed to top hat sanity boost. If they didn't cared about ballance they would have left them in same state as they were.

DST and DS they still differ in some items, mechanics and ballance. Things that was in DST for long time introduced very recently in DS and revelant for disscussion, change and reballancing.

Acussing me for calling this a bait, makes you look another those steam trolls.

[Justice]

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

Because capybara games has nothing to do with klei?
The main company behind DS is klei and they got no clue of balancing. this is why also DST is not balanced at all. Just look at toadstool with 50k life lmao xD
Or how easy it is to cheese ancient guardian or bee queen with powered up WX robot ...
This is also the reason why they randomly deleted warbucks, since SUDDENLY he is not balanced or for whatever alien reasoning they have at klei.

DST is made for multiplayer survival game with difficulty and ballance build for (obviously) multiplayer. You can still play in solo if you want, but you will have to deal with mobs and bosses stats aimed for fighting in group. That's why hp is so high.

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

And yes i still accuse you of bait. Since u seem not having played , hamlet , shipwrecked and DST.

Except I did. Again accussing for something you don't even know

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

TL;DR
Don't try to understand klei balancing reasoning. There is no reasoning behing. No need to get a headache, pal :smile:
But trust me bundling wraps is like the smallest of smallest op items ( and nope it is NOT op because not starving and having food is like super easy in the world anyway) in the game. There are tons of mechanics ( fire farm anybody? ) and characters ( wicker and WX farms anybody ) who are much more broken and would require "balancing" fixing.
Don't make a storm out of a puddle :3
<3

Just because it wasn't fixed doesn't mean they don't care.
Also from recent news, there would be DST characters changes and reworks soon.

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

PS: If you really claim bundling wraps are op you would also need to claim they straight delete also warly. Because how OP is a movable crockpot where u can make fresh food literally all the time 24/7. The moving crockpot is alot better utility tool than bundling wraps will ever be. This is maybe why they didn't add warly to DST yet, because then balancing would go even more haywire xD

I'm playing devils advocate here and your balancing claims make zero sense. Just my 2 cents.

Warly is exclusive Shipwrecked character for singler player DS version only. Same as Wallani, Woodlegs and Willbur



P.s. what's with smiley faces spam?

[Justice]

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

And winona is an exclusive character to DST and now she can solo any of the raid bosses even toadstool, who was supposed to be a fight for a full party of 8 characters. And winona is AFTER the character rework, which was supposed to be a "rebalancing"

Your nagging makes no sense. Klei showed million of times they got no clue of balancing no matter if multiplayer or singleplayer balancing. Besides this is just a sandbox game, it is in no way competitive or pvp. So in the end balancing is irrelevant <3

And yes i claim you never played shipwrecked , hamlet or DST. At least more than 20 hours.
Because else you wouldn't be "shocked" by such a miniscule item like the bundling wraps.

Fire farms are a much bigger tool and power in DS and let bundling wraps look like a minor item or improvement ...

And nope warly is not exclusive, warly exists in DST also thanks to power of steam workshop.
Also his backpack the ice backpack also very great for preserving food. So you want to nerf that one too? What about ice box and bearger backpack? Lets delete all those items cause slowing spoiling is apparently OP, since finding food is oh so hard in any worlds.

If you want a starving hardcore run simply create a new world and make carrots: none, berry: none, animals: none. There easy fix :RideCheck:

Again if people hate certain tools they can stop using them, if they hate certain worlds or mechanics they can world edit and if people want game harder or easier they can steam workshop. Power to the players and you got all the tools required.

No need to want to remove a helpful and useful tool like bundling wraps for the majority, because you feel like a prince ^^

0.5% shouldn't count for "balancing" votes. I nowhere did read any complains about bundling wraps, just 2 few comment in your thread. So 2 people should rebalance the game for thousands of happy hunters? I think nope :p

Again your thread is a bait and non issue. :penguintank:

TL;DR
Why do you suddenly think bundling wraps need a nerf, even though all game , dlc and areas got much bigger and glaring balancing issues. Why so about a miniscule item addition? Simply stop using them.
As a metaphor: Your claim is like suddenly removing all guns from battlefield. Or removing all cars and money from GTA. Wanting balancing inside DS world is ridiculous xD

Do you live on Steam to troll others and claiming everything that you don't like / don't agree with as bait? Because sure looks like it. And what a cheesy jail free card: "Don't like it, don't use it" just to shut people off

[Rio]

The only place Bundling Wrap shouldn't be is in adventure mode.

In regular sandbox, many people I doubt even bother with it. I watch recent youtubers and they don't bother with it. I've beaten the whole game and unlocked all the characters and I don't bother with it.

Food spoilage is annoying, but at the same time, you want rot. Rot is fertilizer.

The few times I would want to use it, I probably wouldn't be carrying it. Swordfish, brain, light bulbs, etc. Stuff where a long time might pass before I want or may have the ability to use/craft it.

Not to say its not useful, but its a level of planning I just don't think most DS players bother with. Just like quite a few DS players find chestor/pack/ro bin and just park them in base over carry the eye bone.

[Justice]

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

Originally posted by Sashie:

The only place Bundling Wrap shouldn't be is in adventure mode.

In regular sandbox, many people I doubt even bother with it. I watch recent youtubers and they don't bother with it. I've beaten the whole game and unlocked all the characters and I don't bother with it.

Food spoilage is annoying, but at the same time, you want rot. Rot is fertilizer.

The few times I would want to use it, I probably wouldn't be carrying it. Swordfish, brain, light bulbs, etc. Stuff where a long time might pass before I want or may have the ability to use/craft it.

Not to say its not useful, but its a level of planning I just don't think most DS players bother with. Just like quite a few DS players find chestor/pack/ro bin and just park them in base over carry the eye bone.

OP just listen to sashie, he knows what he talks about. Again baiting further. You might get 25 replies in your thread, but this aint change the situation and klei are aware what items are fun to use and with others are not.
If you hate bundling wraps so much make your own game or mod a better tool in the steam workshop.

GL and have a good day :3
PS: don't be a strange hater, look on the bright side of life ^^

Thats just one side and oppion on the item, but at least @Sashie in comparison doesn't accusse or troll like you do. So I would rather disscuss and agree in some aspects with him than you

[Retrolicious]

Originally posted by Justice:

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

OP just listen to sashie, he knows what he talks about. Again baiting further. You might get 25 replies in your thread, but this aint change the situation and klei are aware what items are fun to use and with others are not.
If you hate bundling wraps so much make your own game or mod a better tool in the steam workshop.

GL and have a good day :3
PS: don't be a strange hater, look on the bright side of life ^^

Thats just one side and oppion on the item, but at least @Sashie in comparison doesn't accusse or troll like you do. So I would rather disscuss and agree in some aspects with him than you

I never trolled i just state simple facts. My english is not the best, but the facts are still correct.
Not believing my facts only cause i used wrong english or style is kinda childish.
But alas keep going on your petition and rant against bundling wraps. Nobody is holding you back to waste more time in this.

You still wanting to remove bundling wraps or "nerf" them just shows your stubborn and emotion shrouded. Instead try to look at the million of options to improve YOUR playstyle. But don't pretend to be a fun breaker and try to dimish the game for others who enjoy and have fun.

Try to cut down your entitelment and try to think of the full community instead for once.
Selfishness never brought people happiness ever.
Again you are very alone with your opinion and people don't complain about wraps and rather enjoy them, same as in DST. Or people don't mind them and are smart and move on with happy gaming. Don't be a hater and waste less time ...

Wraps are also neat for cave diving etc or general mega base management. Or for xmas present to give funny or silly presents to friends and strangers alike.

Yes DS is singleplayer but you could still make a 2000 day world and hide some funny bundling wrap presents for yourself and forgot about them and maybe rediscover them after 500 days and have fond memories.

You wanting to nerf or remove them just shows lack of fantasy and RP skills.

DS is a huge canvas and any addition is great and wants to be tinkered with :3

I get the feeling you never hosted or managed huge dedicated servers in DST. Did you even try to be an admin? Your behaviour would be spooky, and i guess reap alot of unfairly banned or kicked people, only because they like to have fun and enjoy themselves. But then suddenly someone would have another opinion and you would abuse your powers.

-> This is an analogy, because effectivelly asking klei to remove or "nerf" bundling wraps is actually effecting 100% of the player base no matter what.

Only because you want to be a prince. And be cuddled by mom klei. And are jelous of the other players who is klei busy with.

It's just nice that some people are no developers or modders and community is saved from their rants ...

Have a good day regardless :3

PS: I get the people like you also "nerfed" willow to death in DST and also made klei remove warbucks for whatever alien reason too. Censorship is just super sad nowadays.
Try to be happy for once and hate less please?

Originally posted by Justice:

Until you apologize and discuss like adequate person, I'm not gonna read your long wall of bulls**t or any other comment you will post here.

Entitled huffy prince syndrom like in the textbook. Yes i'm direct and blunt. But i never censor or ignore people. Try to be open minded next time :3
But you are right it is time to let this thread die. Have a nice day ...