Best Primary Shotgun?

[The Magician]

I can't figure out what the best shotgun is, I've only ruled out the M1014

[Peanits]

It depends on what you want to do with it, but probably the Raven. It's a good all-round shotgun with a good mag. The Breaker is the most powerful with a decent magazine, but it doesn't get much ammo back so it needs to be used sparingly.

[Waddy]

Saiga with shotguneer /crits/ silence 30% damage skill.
Raven with silencer 30% damage skill.
Ron Pearlman's shotgun with silencer 30% damage skill.

[lexilogo]

"Best" is a misleading word, especially as so many shotguns fill different roles.

-Raven: Excellent primary pump-action. Also bundles in ultrahigh concealment potential
-Locomotive: Uber-powerful secondary IF you're willing to invest skillpoints
-Judge: Probably the best shotgun for people who don't like shotguns
-IZHMA/AA12: Both are excellent fullauto shotguns for when you want to get the most out of the OVERKILL skill. AA12 is more ammo focused while the IZHMA packs slightly better damage.
-Breaker: It's like the HRL-7 Rocket Launcher, except with ammo pickups enabled

[The Magician]

Originally posted by lexilogo:

"Best" is a misleading word, especially as so many shotguns fill different roles.

-Raven: Excellent primary pump-action. Also bundles in ultrahigh concealment potential
-Locomotive: Uber-powerful secondary IF you're willing to invest skillpoints
-Judge: Probably the best shotgun for people who don't like shotguns
-IZHMA/AA12: Both are excellent fullauto shotguns for when you want to get the most out of the OVERKILL skill. AA12 is more ammo focused while the IZHMA packs slightly better damage.
-Breaker: It's like the HRL-7 Rocket Launcher, except with ammo pickups enabled

Thank you for the detailed information, I'll use some shotguns like you say and test it

[The Mark]

Payday 2's 'improvement' or 'progress' system is non-linear, like many games. Everything has a use, when making the right combinations and fulfilling the right roles.

For example, both the Mosconi and Joceline have similar, high damage. The Mosconi generally has less accuracy (high spread) and better concealment. The Joceline generally has better accuracy (tighter spread) and ammo.

[jesse we need to ♥♥♥♥]

I'm using the Izhma shotgun with auto fire and HE rounds, extra mag of 15 bullets from Enforcer skills. Brain bucket skin if you don't have some dlcs it'll help.

[Sentient_Toaster]

Also depends on your mod pool, of course.

The Judge doesn't have much in the way of Judge-specific mods, but you can toss a suppressor, laser, and sight on it if you like.

The Raven has some mods that are readily available in infinite quantity if you're willing to do the achievements -- the flip-up sight is trivial (just own 1ea. Raven, Loco, Street Sweeper, Reinfeld, Mosconi, Izhma, M1014; you don't have to ever have equipped any of 'em) to improve concealment, while the short barrel (again, good for conc builds) requires 25 shovel kills on Nightclub and the long barrel needs 10 sniper kills w/ flechette ammo.

[UnknownMerc]

Reinfeld because of style points

[Reiddonith]

IZHMA for primary and loco for secondary. Both are crazy good with the right mods and skills.

[☯iKouRyuu☯]

Depends on what you need

All-rounder "Jack of all trades" I say the Raven as it has generally good stats all around. Decent pick-up rate. Has a few mods that allows it to be a good concealment Primary (28 unsilence 26 if Silenced. 29 and 27 id you use the +1 concealment Stat booster), but Said mods are locked behind some achievments so there's that

Another All-rounder is the Reinfield. Not as concealable as the Raven, but as alot more mods to choose from, but said mods are now locked behind Card drops if you want to run the Reinfield

Breaker is great if you want a Good Shotgun with unmatched primary shotty damage, but suffers from pick-up issues.

M10 is a great shotgun is use special ammo with as you use it as a Spam HE shotgun to deal with shields and stun-lock dozers for teammates (Same roll applies to the Striker as a Secondary shotgun)

Judge is a Soild Shotgun is you want an Instant High concealment Secondary (28 by raw Default) that deals really solid damage without inventing into shotgun skills. Very devesting as HE shotgun under a Crit build and Even more as a Overkill + Crit build

Loco is like the Reinfield, but is an All-Rounder "Jack of all trades" Secondary Shotgun if you're willing to spend time Card farming and inventing into skill points

[puzzlefox]

Saiga.

Originally posted by Sentient_Toaster:

Also depends on your mod pool, of course.

Saiga with drum mag destroys worlds.

[Zam]

Am I the only one who reccomend both Double Barrel shotguns? The Mosconi has a great balance between damage and concealment, while the Josceline has good accuracy and stability, while packing a punch. Sadly, it only have 2 shots, but the high burst and quick reload makes it really good for hide-and-seek.

[Ћ Abomination Jones]

Originally posted by Zam:

Am I the only one who reccomend both Double Barrel shotguns? The Mosconi has a great balance between damage and concealment, while the Josceline has good accuracy and stability, while packing a punch. Sadly, it only have 2 shots, but the high burst and quick reload makes it really good for hide-and-seek.

I'll go with this. Joceline with the slugs are pretty nice, and as a shotgun / ace fully loaded kinda guy, it has lovely synergy.

[GunsForBucks]

I like the Izuma with the Loco as my secondary. Great for a support role. 000 buckshot
With shock and awe aced you get 20% shield knock back and I read that the buckchot was 5 pellets each doing full damage so every shot from the shotgun will knock back a shield... I don't like shields, they don't bother me anymore though..
If I have to deal with the captain at range or other bad things I use the Judge with HE rounds as a secondary. <in the meth house I can sit in the second floor window to chase off the captain in the street>.. stuns dozers with one headshot too <on overkill.. haven't tried it on DW yet maybe two shots> ...

I am not such a great shot I can trust myself to some of those slow shooting shotguns. Perked up you get a nice fat mag for the Izuma and the loco reloads fast too.

Raven for stealth flachette ammo

[Demoni Foxy]

I'm currently using M1014 + Overkill basic, doing really great on OVK and DW.