Better Bots

[Jellinatrix]

I'm aware it makes the bots slightly OP, but for a long time it wasn't considered a cheat mod, when did that change?

[carrot]

"slightly"

They basically play the game for you. It's always been a cheat.

[lammy from um jammer lammy]

it's not

[Terminator01]

Originally posted by catrro:

"slightly"

They basically play the game for you. It's always been a cheat.

Tell that to the people who cried "heresy" if you dared to critizise that cheat mod.

[SNP]

The only thing good about BB is it increases their speed so they don't just casually jog at you when you're down, which is utterly ludicrous considering how bad AI navigation is already.

The biggest issue is it practically gives them aimbot+godmode and, as stated above, they play the game for you (minus the bag toting, which is even worse).

[Kuzanちゃん]

yes

[Kevy & Wevy]

Originally posted by Dr. Snap, The Wizard:

The only thing good about BB is it increases their speed so they don't just casually jog at you when you're down, which is utterly ludicrous considering how bad AI navigation is already.

The biggest issue is it practically gives them aimbot+godmode and, as stated above, they play the game for you (minus the bag toting, which is even worse).

you can just download iter for fixing ai movement

[Driftkel]

It's still a cheat no matter how you see it, given the fact that there are certain settings to make them overpowered in terms of damage and also make them have a lot of health to be invincible.

[lammy from um jammer lammy]

Originally posted by Driftkel:

It's still a cheat no matter how you see it, given the fact that there are certain settings to make them overpowered in terms of damage and also make them have a lot of health to be invincible.

to entertain this, I tried messing with the health settings in Better Bots

1: Default - Pretty sure it's basegame scaling. I was playing Crime Spree and my bots had 4000 HP. Might be the mod's own scaling. No idea at this point

2: No Scaling (750) - Locked 750 HP, base HP on normal I'm pretty sure

3: ZEAL (1440) - Locked 1440 HP, still less than default.

For damage, it's simply a multiplier that goes up to 5. This is to emulate the amount of damage players do with skills like Berserker and Crits. The only unrealistic thing about this multiplier is that it always applies, which would not make sense for crits.

[Undefined]

I'm just gonna leave some facts about Better Bots.

* It allows you to buffs the bots
* It allows you to nerfs the bots
* It lets you choose the balance
* It's supposed to replicate playing with other human players
* Even with this mod, the bots can still become braindead at certain points, often times ignoring enemies right in front of them

Aside from that, the game is designed to always prefer targeting human players over bots, so you're not exactly safe just because you got better teammates.

BTW: if the default bots weren't so horrible, this mod wouldn't even be popular among the PD2 community. In fact, this whole game is propped up by the mod community and would probably collapse if it actually depended on Overkill to get things done.

Originally posted by naii_:

1: Default - Pretty sure it's basegame scaling. I was playing Crime Spree and my bots had 4000 HP. Might be the mod's own scaling. No idea at this point

It is the game's default.

[lammy from um jammer lammy]

Originally posted by Undefined:

Originally posted by naii_:

1: Default - Pretty sure it's basegame scaling. I was playing Crime Spree and my bots had 4000 HP. Might be the mod's own scaling. No idea at this point

It is the game's default.

that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hilarious, people claim Better Bots can make bots "practically invincible" when your two options are to either nerf the bots or nerf them even harder

Maybe they're talking about the bot dodge system? I don't use that tbh

[i c wiener]

Depends on the settings you use, really. But these threads always end the same way - with people who care too much about what others use in their own games lecturing the community on what's a cheat and what isn't. Fortunately, it's quite easy to ignore them.

[candyboy]

when the newbies arrived and the community decided that it was a cheat

[Undefined]

Originally posted by naii_:

Originally posted by Undefined:

It is the game's default.

that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hilarious, people claim Better Bots can make bots "practically invincible" when your two options are to either nerf the bots or nerf them even harder

Maybe they're talking about the bot dodge system? I don't use that tbh

Yeah man, some people just want to believe certain things are a cheat and end up getting their facts wrong.

And then there's people who use mods but call others cheaters.

There's this one popular streamer who thinks Meth Helper is cheating. His mod list includes:

* Graze Doesn't Kill Civs (he's a sniper main)
* Tast's Day/Night Changes (he sets every night heist to day so he can see the enemies)
* No Screenshake (he says it helps him aim better)
* Bag Tilt Remover (again, says it helps him aim better)

Now, I'm not one to care for those mods, but saving 5 seconds on an ingredient with Meth Helper pales in comparison to what he's doing. And, yet, he sits on his high horse calling other players cheaters. 🤡

[lammy from um jammer lammy]

Originally posted by Undefined:

Originally posted by naii_:

that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hilarious, people claim Better Bots can make bots "practically invincible" when your two options are to either nerf the bots or nerf them even harder

Maybe they're talking about the bot dodge system? I don't use that tbh

Yeah man, some people just want to believe certain things are a cheat and end up getting their facts wrong.

And then there's people who use mods but call others cheaters.

There's this one popular streamer who thinks Meth Helper is cheating. His mod list includes:

* Graze Doesn't Kill Civs (he's a sniper main)
* Tast's Day/Night Changes (he sets every night heist to day so he can see the enemies)
* No Screenshake (he says it helps him aim better)
* Bag Tilt Remover (again, says it helps him aim better)

Now, I'm not one to care for those mods, but saving 5 seconds on an ingredient with Meth Helper pales in comparison to what he's doing. And, yet, he sits on his high horse calling other players cheaters. 🤡

haha, "this one popular streamer" yeah we all know

[i c wiener]

Haha, that's pathetic. Imagine being so tryhard that you need No Screenshake and Bag Tilt Removal to kill enemies 'properly' in a game where that isn't even difficult at the worst of times.