3-shot armor

[Undefined]

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Skills needed:

* ICTV (28pts / 29pts if you want Bullseye basic)
* Frenzy aced (28pts)
* Underdog aced (4pts)

Perk Deck:

* Crew Chief / Sociopath / Infiltrator
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So for a whopping 60-61 skillpoints, you get 3-shot armor against Heavy Zeals.

Except you kinda don't. You only get it when Underdog is proc'd. So you sink a lot of skillpoints into this setup only to get something that occurs under a certain condition.

Now, how does the survivability of a 3-shot setup compare to other build types?

Well, from what I've seen, it's definitely not meta, so probably not that good. Stoic, Kingpin, and Anarchist provide at least the same amount of survivability, but probably a lot more considering how meta they are. Dodge builds also seem to enjoy similar survivability and at the very least don't require dumping 60-61pts just to make them viable.

So, PD2 community, do you really think the massive skillpoint requirement + conditional requirement is necessary to keep 3-shot armor in check?

I think the meta speaks for itself - not worth it and not even that good compared to what else you can get.

[naii.neocities.org]

pretty sure there are better ways to get a 3 shot setup

[Undefined]

Originally posted by naii_:

pretty sure there are better ways to get a 3 shot setup

I'm listening.

[xX_enzodu13_Xx]

Originally posted by Undefined:

Originally posted by naii_:

pretty sure there are better ways to get a 3 shot setup

I'm listening.

you should listen to Justin Bieber
he currently has a 99 shot setup
https://youtu.be/E7H4NHm2brU

[NGSF_GrayFox]

you dont have to worry about getting shot if you dodge most of them

[Undefined]

Originally posted by calculatortamer:

Originally posted by Undefined:

I'm listening.

you should listen to Justin Bieber
he currently has a 99 shot setup
https://youtu.be/E7H4NHm2brU

... go on... 🤔

[Undefined]

In all seriousness, a better setup probably doesn't exist.

I just checked Armorer ICTV with Frenzy + Underdog aced and it's still 2-shot.

Maniac ICTV can tank 3-shots, however, it still requires Underdog aced + Frenzy, and keeping the stacks maxed out is not easy, nor is building them up due to the time it takes (game only adds to the stack every 4s and deducts 60% + 40 stacks every 8s).

Anarchist ICTV can also tank 3 shots with just Frenzy or with PiC aced, but good luck ever getting back your 400.4/508 armor before another enemy undoes your progress.

I'm pretty sure a better way of getting 3-shot armor doesn't exist, which is why he didn't respond. With that said, I'm listening, and don't have any problem admitting that I didn't know a better way existed.

[Gabbler123]

Originally posted by NGSF_GrayFox:

you dont have to worry about getting shot if you dodge most of them

no, instead you just have to worry about rng ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you over

Originally posted by Undefined:

In all seriousness, a better setup probably doesn't exist.

I just checked Armorer ICTV with Frenzy + Underdog aced and it's still 2-shot.

Maniac ICTV can tank 3-shots, however, it still requires Underdog aced + Frenzy, and keeping the stacks maxed out is not easy, nor is building them up due to the time it takes (game only adds to the stack every 4s and deducts 60% + 40 stacks every 8s).

Anarchist ICTV can also tank 3 shots with just Frenzy or with PiC aced, but good luck ever getting back your 400.4/508 armor before another enemy undoes your progress.

I'm pretty sure a better way of getting 3-shot armor doesn't exist, which is why he didn't respond. With that said, I'm listening, and don't have any problem admitting that I didn't know a better way existed.

quick fix is a way more consistent way of getting a 10% reduction than underdog, and armourer can hit 3-shot with frenzy, underdog and quick fix combined.

[waste]

3 shot socio is very nice, 3 shot crew chief and infiltrator are gimmicky at best. 3 shot anarchist is very easy to achieve and quite practical if you just run bullseye aced.

[Undefined]

Originally posted by gabs:

quick fix is a way more consistent way of getting a 10% reduction than underdog, and armourer can hit 3-shot with frenzy, underdog and quick fix combined.

Quick Fix aced only applies to crew members who use your FAKs/Med Bags. You can't run Quick Fix aced and give yourself the 10% buff.

And expecting someone to have a skill that isn't meta is not a good idea.

Lastly, it screws with your Berserker damage breakpoints.

With that said, it is technically possible to get 3-shot with Armorer, so I'll give you that much.

BTW I want to make it clear that Underdog is crap and I'm not defending it. You're absolutely right that it's not very consistent in the first place. However, compared to Quick Fix, I think Underdog is just slightly better.

Originally posted by waste:

3 shot socio is very nice, 3 shot crew chief and infiltrator are gimmicky at best. 3 shot anarchist is very easy to achieve and quite practical if you just run bullseye aced.

On DSOD? Nah, takes too long to rebuild armor with the damage the cops deal, even with Bullseye aced.

[Undefined]

Originally posted by waste:

3 shot socio is very nice, 3 shot crew chief and infiltrator are gimmicky at best. 3 shot anarchist is very easy to achieve and quite practical if you just run bullseye aced.

I do agree that 3-Shot Socio is probably the best of all them. It still relies on Underdog mechanics, though, but the +60 armorgating on every kill/second probably gives it more survivability than the other options.

[Camera Man]

Personal experience with Sociopath, 3-Hit is pretty good when you combine it with armor gating on kill. Which with the DPS boost makes it better.

Crew Chief and Infiltrator on the other hand. Why would you scarifice the health potential from Crew Chief and Infiltrator literally hinders you since your at 40% berserker most of the time because of your melee. Just run Converts with them and you'll be fine.

Extra armor points are really good. But using it on either Crew Chief or Infiltrator cripples you in their own way. Even though Sociopath heals you as well, you still have armor gating to work with.

[Gabbler123]

Originally posted by Undefined:

Quick Fix aced only applies to crew members who use your FAKs/Med Bags. You can't run Quick Fix aced and give yourself the 10% buff.

And expecting someone to have a skill that isn't meta is not a good idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSMWob64EGs
Please fact-check before you state falsities.

Originally posted by Undefined:

Lastly, it screws with your Berserker damage breakpoints.

So does sociopath melee on kill, infiltrator melee period, and crew chief health values for everybody on the team. Difference being, re-zerking from a first aid kit or doctor bag is the same process as your first zerk, assuming you have no convert active. And there ARE weapons that only need 1.4 zerk for breakpoints, as well.

[B〄F Altonator]

Anarchist lbv with iron man, die hard ace, partners in crime and frenzy ace can reach 2.05 shots taken which means 3 shot armour and a fast regen rate.

[carrot]

Armorer, maniac, and anarchist can all get a 3 shot armor as well. In terms of practicality, the most effective decks to run 3 shots on are:

- Sociopath, maniac (Useful)
- Anarchist, armorer (Barely practical)
- Infiltrator, crew chief (Hinders more than helps)

Although if you have both a CC and a maniac on your team, and deck can 3 shot. And if you really want to get down to it, every deck can 3 shot with painkillers. Just note that if you are doing a 3 shot anarchist, don't use LBV (since everyone knows it's objectively worse, you'd have to be an idiot to still shill it lol), as suit can reach it too.

[waste]

Originally posted by Undefined:

On DSOD? Nah, takes too long to rebuild armor with the damage the cops deal, even with Bullseye aced.

It takes a little bit more than 5 seconds of not getting hit while doing constant bullseye/lfl procs to get 3 shot on anarchist, which is not exactly uncommon given the high level anarchist playstyle.

Originally posted by catrro:

- Anarchist, armorer (Barely practical)

Dunno, anarchist suit 3 shot is achieved with a bunch of skills that aren't bad at all (PiC, frenzy aced, iron man), with the only real excess being underdog aced. Wouldn't use it most of the time, but it's an easy pick if I'm playing something like shotguns and don't mind having stoic levels of survivability.