microgun vs minigun

[nitro_O]

which is better ?

[Cursed Hawkins]

I believe the microgun shoots faster and has I think a better ammo pickup than the minigun.

[rit.su]

minigun

[Edam]

Minigun

[TheUnchosen]

Microgun is better in terms of ammo economy due to its higher damage and slower fire speed, letting you control your shots better. However, it has a highly tortuous weapon deploy time, making it a pain to switch to your secondary, use your melee, or deploy and interact with anything. If you can't stand it, the minigun might be a better choice.

[innerf1re]

XL 5.56. Both are the same but this one has lower RoF compensated by higher damage

[The destoyer of worlsd!!!]

The XL's godawful switch speed wouldn't be a problem if it was at least fairly effectively against every enemy one might encounter so that it could reliably be used for long stretches of time. Having a maximum accuracy of 40 before skills, a reload time of 7.8 seconds and no sort of special utility like fire or shield piercing, this obviously isn't the case. It's not even as good a candidate for a crit weapon as the Vulcan, either.

The XL is a joke in every respect, and I'll even say it's a candidate for one of the worst weapons I've ever used. At least I had a bit of fun running a crit Vulcan build on Panic Room once.

[Sep]

micro.

[TheUnchosen]

Isn't it great how everyone isn't agreeing on whether the minigun or the microgun is better?

[TCG Pepe but call me Peep]

i Personally thought both guns were ass, I was comparing their numbers to the buzzsaw and just passed em off as awful. imo no bipod, low damage, and absolute no accuracy meant I never wanted to try em lol

[The destoyer of worlsd!!!]

Originally posted by Pepe but call me Peep:

i Personally thought both guns were ass, I was comparing their numbers to the buzzsaw and just passed em off as awful. imo no bipod, low damage, and absolute no accuracy meant I never wanted to try em lol

Only reason I'd ever consider using the Vulcan would be because it can be used as a crit weapon without requiring as much effort to keep at a manageable concealment level as the RPK (which more or less has to be silenced and paired with a silenced 34 concealment weapon and be paired with Optical Illusions basic to get a 35% crit rate with).

When the XL is complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ compared to even the Vulcan, that speaks volumes about just how useless it is.

[Sunday Driver]

The main reason to use them is because it is hilarious.

[TheUnchosen]

Originally posted by Pelvic Steel:

Originally posted by Pepe but call me Peep:

i Personally thought both guns were ass, I was comparing their numbers to the buzzsaw and just passed em off as awful. imo no bipod, low damage, and absolute no accuracy meant I never wanted to try em lol

Only reason I'd ever consider using the Vulcan would be because it can be used as a crit weapon without requiring as much effort to keep at a manageable concealment level as the RPK (which more or less has to be silenced and paired with a silenced 34 concealment weapon and be paired with Optical Illusions basic to get a 35% crit rate with).

When the XL is complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ compared to even the Vulcan, that speaks volumes about just how useless it is.

I'd like to counter you on the XL. I've said this before, but I'll say it again: in terms of enemy killing, the XL is better than the Vulcan. It has higher damage, tempered by slower fire rate, making both weapons have about the same time to kill. However, both have the same amount of ammo. Since you need to spit more bullets with the Vulcan, this makes the XL better in ammo management. Also, the XL provides one more concealment, letting it outpace both the Vulcan and the RPK in terms of crit builds. You won't need to grind for that concealment boost with the XL. And if you already have a boost, that's even better. No longer do you have to stick to the Bernetti or the Gruber to complete your awkward crit build, but you can use the Bronco instead. I've used both miniguns, and honestly, if you know what you're doing, the XL is a much better choice. Besides, the weapon switch speed can be nullified by using Rogue. And since I'm assuming we're talking about low concealment crit builds, Rogue is a pretty good perk deck choice.

That's just my two cents.

[Sunday Driver]

Four people using the XL in the safehouse raid with their fingers hardly leaving the trigger looks amazing.

[The destoyer of worlsd!!!]

Originally posted by A used 1996 mitsubishi eclipse:

Originally posted by Pelvic Steel:

Only reason I'd ever consider using the Vulcan would be because it can be used as a crit weapon without requiring as much effort to keep at a manageable concealment level as the RPK (which more or less has to be silenced and paired with a silenced 34 concealment weapon and be paired with Optical Illusions basic to get a 35% crit rate with).

When the XL is complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ compared to even the Vulcan, that speaks volumes about just how useless it is.

I'd like to counter you on the XL. I've said this before, but I'll say it again: in terms of enemy killing, the XL is better than the Vulcan. It has higher damage, tempered by slower fire rate, making both weapons have about the same time to kill. However, both have the same amount of ammo. Since you need to spit more bullets with the Vulcan, this makes the XL better in ammo management. Also, the XL provides one more concealment, letting it outpace both the Vulcan and the RPK in terms of crit builds. You won't need to grind for that concealment boost with the XL. And if you already have a boost, that's even better. No longer do you have to stick to the Bernetti or the Gruber to complete your awkward crit build, but you can use the Bronco instead. I've used both miniguns, and honestly, if you know what you're doing, the XL is a much better choice. Besides, the weapon switch speed can be nullified by using Rogue. And since I'm assuming we're talking about low concealment crit builds, Rogue is a pretty good perk deck choice.

That's just my two cents.

Where are you getting that claim about concealment? With a concealment boost and one of the XS barrels, the Microgun gets a max concealment of 8, whereas the Vulcan gets a maximum of 12 with the The Stump Barrel, a concealment boost and the I'll Take Half That Kit. Even if you leave out the latter to not take a hit to your ammo capacity, that'd still be a concealment score of 9. Is the wiki wrong, or did you get something wrong?

I haven't used Rogue in a long time, but isn't it kinda ♥♥♥♥ when not playing on DS? Every other light armor perk deck will allow you to take at least two hits from most sources of damage before your armor goes down whereas with Rogue, you can't rely on your dodge rate to protect you from anything. At least one guide has stated that Rogue on DW or below is just a worse version of Crook, and I'm inclined to believe that. I don't like the idea of Rogue as a way to empower a bad weapon to workable levels.

Without any way to correct the switch speed, you're extremely vulnerable to shields (unless you're willing to spend even more points to ace Shock and Awe, and even then I'd argue that's a far worse anti-shield tool than any weapon you could otherwise have switched to) and, once you're getting low on ammo, becoming a sitting duck with that monstrous reload time.

[TheUnchosen]

Originally posted by Pelvic Steel:

Originally posted by A used 1996 mitsubishi eclipse:

I'd like to counter you on the XL. I've said this before, but I'll say it again: in terms of enemy killing, the XL is better than the Vulcan. It has higher damage, tempered by slower fire rate, making both weapons have about the same time to kill. However, both have the same amount of ammo. Since you need to spit more bullets with the Vulcan, this makes the XL better in ammo management. Also, the XL provides one more concealment, letting it outpace both the Vulcan and the RPK in terms of crit builds. You won't need to grind for that concealment boost with the XL. And if you already have a boost, that's even better. No longer do you have to stick to the Bernetti or the Gruber to complete your awkward crit build, but you can use the Bronco instead. I've used both miniguns, and honestly, if you know what you're doing, the XL is a much better choice. Besides, the weapon switch speed can be nullified by using Rogue. And since I'm assuming we're talking about low concealment crit builds, Rogue is a pretty good perk deck choice.

That's just my two cents.

Where are you getting that claim about concealment? With a concealment boost and one of the XS barrels, the Microgun gets a max concealment of 8, whereas the Vulcan gets a maximum of 12 with the The Stump Barrel, a concealment boost and the I'll Take Half That Kit. Even if you leave out the latter to not take a hit to your ammo capacity, that'd still be a concealment score of 9. Is the wiki wrong, or did you get something wrong?

I haven't used Rogue in a long time, but isn't it kinda ♥♥♥♥ when not playing on DS? Every other light armor perk deck will allow you to take at least two hits from most sources of damage before your armor goes down whereas with Rogue, you can't rely on your dodge rate to protect you from anything. At least one guide has stated that Rogue on DW or below is just a worse version of Crook, and I'm inclined to believe that. I don't like the idea of Rogue as a way to empower a bad weapon to workable levels.

Without any way to correct the switch speed, you're extremely vulnerable to shields (unless you're willing to spend even more points to ace Shock and Awe, and even then I'd argue that's a far worse anti-shield tool than any weapon you could otherwise have switched to) and, once you're getting low on ammo, becoming a sitting duck with that monstrous reload time.

You're right, I probably got something wrong with the concealment thing. The wiki is usually reliable. Maybe I mixed the two guns up or something.