Death Wish and Death Sentence loud, tips for weapons skills and perk decks

[prosnax]

I have not played in quite a while and was hoping some people might be able to help me. I think the updated difficulty has screwed with the weapons. My rifles with DMR kits can't one shot head shot heavy swat. (At least I think they used to on death with loud, because heavy swats used to only have 400 health.) Shotguns used to have some use in the game. Now I never bring them on a heist. They just don't do enough damage, have terrible pickup, and reloading is a ♥♥♥♥♥. I even tried creating a skill tree just for shotguns but not too much luck. I was thinking on trying again but that is a different story.

pistols are absolutely useless. I can not kill even the grey swats in one hit to the head with a deagle. But what is worse on Death wish I cannot kill heavy FBI swats with dual deagle to the freaking face. My pistols that do 189 damage still do not kill heavy swats in one, and they don't some with a laser sight so whats the point?

Basically the only weapons I have had success with are flamethrowers and the KSP short barrelled version. The DMR kits just don't have a high enough pickup to take 2 head shots... shotguns are useless as well as pistols....SMGS..... SMGS IDK I think you don't get to carry enough ammo for them.

anyways any help would be hot.

[DocV]

DeathWish is not that difficult, as long as you commit to either dodge or armor, and have any kind of health regen.

On Death Sentence, it is a bit more tricky. You should pretty much always go for as much dodge as possible, because the cops deal way too much damage with no damage drop off. There are a lot more necessary skills, such as inspire, medkits aced, swan song, nine lives, all dodge and running skills, drill skills, messiah, all joker skills... etc

[Copy & Cat]

Shotguns and pistols have skills that praticallt double their damage, they can easily 1-2 shot most cops

[Sep]

Originally posted by prosnax:

My pistols that do 189 damage still do not kill heavy swats in one, and they don't some with a laser sight so whats the point?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=796195988

Heavy unit breakpoint is 255.51, you would need 256 damage to 1 shot kill it.

Issues with your build is that it doesn't hit the breakpoint quota for the kill.

[Raykon]

Originally posted by DrVeil:

DeathWish is not that difficult, as long as you commit to either dodge or armor, and have any kind of health regen.

On Death Sentence, it is a bit more tricky. You should pretty much always go for as much dodge as possible, because the cops deal way too much damage with no damage drop off. There are a lot more necessary skills, such as inspire, medkits aced, swan song, nine lives, all dodge and running skills, drill skills, messiah, all joker skills... etc

I play Death Sentence without inspire, medkits aced, swan song, dodge, messiah and joker. It's not all that necessary.

[Anchored at Hell]

Rogue/Hacker, shotguns and meds tadaa you are good2go

[drewbstar]

Shotguns aren't useless, you're using them wrong.
Get the reload and damage skills. Get Overkill. Get bloodthirst and such (for faster reloads).
Use the IZHMA. Get a kill with it, then keep on killing. Overkill procs means 1-2 hits should kill just about everything. Secondary should probably be flame(thrower or DB because shotgun skills) or GL. Pick up on the IZMHA conquers all.