What Happen to the grinder perk deck?

[Bambang Tukang Deklarasi]

Couple years ago I played payday and decided to stop for a while. I played again and use the same things in couple of years. I felt that in the community, guide, build and gameplay the grinder perk deck is not popular as couple years ago, that time the grinder thing is like all rounder and all hail perk deck. When I come back, people are using stoic, kingpin, and ex president on death sentence loud, I search it on Google and ask my friend and found out that the perk deck is just it. So what happened to the grinder build?

[stuntrock]

Several rebalances and new meta happened.

[Noo_Billy]

Since Heavy SWAT unit can deal 225 damage per shot (225 damage = 95% player base hp),
there is no time for you to regenerate your health. Therefore, grinder is useless on death sentence because of 225 damage feature and so people start to find some perks that able to avoid the damage(Rouge,Stoic) or absorb the damage(Armorer,Anarchist,Kingpin).

Picking a good perk, skills and weapons are the key of beat death sentence.
No matter how skillfull you are, without those things, you cannot beat death sentence unless you have 3 good teammates to carry you.

[BergbauerMuesli]

R.I.P Pistol Dodge Grinder Deathwish Build since 2016 ...
R.I.P Sicario Dodge OP AF Build (This Perk was still working for 2 weeks) ...

[Steve from America]

Originally posted by Noo_Billy:

Since Heavy SWAT unit can deal 225 damage per shot (225 damage = 95% player base hp),
there is no time for you to regenerate your health. Therefore, grinder is useless on death sentence because of 225 damage feature and so people start to find some perks that able to avoid the damage(Rouge,Stoic) or absorb the damage(Armorer,Anarchist,Kingpin).

Picking a good perk, skills and weapons are the key of beat death sentence.
No matter how skillfull you are, without those things, you cannot beat death sentence unless you have 3 good teammates to carry you.

Armorer is not DS viable, it is only good up to DW. All the deck does on DS is give you one extra hit before going down, which barely makes a difference.

[Noo_Billy]

Originally posted by blackweed75:

Armorer is not DS viable, it is only good up to DW. All the deck does on DS is give you one extra hit before going down, which barely makes a difference.

Not really, because Armorer provides 280 armorer for user to take 2 shots from Heavy SWAT unit. Also, "2 seconds immunity on depleted armor (15 seconds cooldown)" will help you a lot.

[Sep]

Originally posted by blackweed75:

Armorer is not DS viable, it is only good up to DW. All the deck does on DS is give you one extra hit before going down, which barely makes a difference.

Armorer is as reliable as Anarchist does & it was DS viable. If we take into account the number of shot a Armorer & Anarchist could received within a short span of time from sniper, Armorer is in much stable position.

Anarchist is better than Armorer in term of armor gating, they are both similiar & yet have different playing style to it.

[Nüwa]

To all those who said;

"This or that is not DS viable, this that is dead, etc"

Remember, it's not the car, it's the driver. :)

[Noo_Billy]

Originally posted by Nüwa:

To all those who said;

"This or that is not DS viable, this that is dead, etc"

Remember, it's not the car, it's the driver. :)

Can a car from 1980 win a Car from 2018 on a car race even the 1980's car has the best driver in the world?

[Nüwa]

Originally posted by Noo_Billy:

Originally posted by Nüwa:

To all those who said;

"This or that is not DS viable, this that is dead, etc"

Remember, it's not the car, it's the driver. :)

Can a car from 1980 win a Car from 2018 on a car race even the 1980's car has the best driver in the world?

Do you bring a 1980 car to a 2018 championship?
https://imgur.com/a/loeCy

Don't try to look smart if you don't..

[Noo_Billy]

Originally posted by Nüwa:

Originally posted by Noo_Billy:

Can a car from 1980 win a Car from 2018 on a car race even the 1980's car has the best driver in the world?

Do you bring a 1980 car to a 2018 championship?
https://imgur.com/a/loeCy

Don't try to look smart if you don't..

Some perk decks are outdated like a 1980 car(Crew Chief,Muscle).
Some perk decks are released lately like a 2018 car(Anarchist,Stoic).
People are not as dumb as me.
Do you think they would bring a outdated perk deck to a latest difficulty?

[Copy & Cat]

Originally posted by Nüwa:

Originally posted by Noo_Billy:

Can a car from 1980 win a Car from 2018 on a car race even the 1980's car has the best driver in the world?

Do you bring a 1980 car to a 2018 championship?
https://imgur.com/a/loeCy

Don't try to look smart if you don't..

No offense but yakuza isnt a great perk deck, neither is biker, so theres a limit to what each perk deck can do, like peacemaker can kill people but isnt the greatest choice to actually use around

[Sep]

Originally posted by Noo_Billy:

Some perk decks are outdated like a 1980 car(Crew Chief,Muscle).
Some perk decks are released lately like a 2018 car(Anarchist,Stoic).
People are not as dumb as me.
Do you think they would bring a outdated perk deck to a latest difficulty?

There is something call as balance update. There is a reason why perk like Stoic was being nerf (16 seconds to 12 second). Even Infiltrator & Sociopath receive a minor changes. The latest difficulty is also all about rebalance.

So claiming a perk deck is outdated is far fetched & show ignorance in first place.

There is 7 difficulty in existence & 21 perk (If include Joy), not everything is suppose to work the same or bring equal result regardless of difficulty, heist, skill, perk & etc choices.

[Copy & Cat]

Originally posted by Silas:

Originally posted by Noo_Billy:

Some perk decks are outdated like a 1980 car(Crew Chief,Muscle).
Some perk decks are released lately like a 2018 car(Anarchist,Stoic).
People are not as dumb as me.
Do you think they would bring a outdated perk deck to a latest difficulty?

There is something call as balance update. There is a reason why perk like Stoic was being nerf (16 seconds to 12 second). Even Infiltrator & Sociopath receive a minor changes. The latest difficulty is also all about rebalance.

So claiming a perk deck is outdated is far fetched & show ignorance in first place.

There is 7 difficulty in existence & 21 perk (If include Joy), not everything is suppose to work the same or bring equal result regardless of difficulty, heist, skill, perk & etc choices.

Actually everything IS meant to be viable but in diferent ways, but everyone know that is not true

[Steve from America]

Originally posted by Silas:

Originally posted by blackweed75:

Armorer is not DS viable, it is only good up to DW. All the deck does on DS is give you one extra hit before going down, which barely makes a difference.

Armorer is as reliable as Anarchist does & it was DS viable. If we take into account the number of shot a Armorer & Anarchist could received within a short span of time from sniper, Armorer is in much stable position.

Anarchist is better than Armorer in term of armor gating, they are both similiar & yet have different playing style to it.

Armor in general isn't very suited for DS, even before the update. (It isn't impossible of course, I've tried it.) But it's far from being as breezin' as dodge oriented builds, even with the stoic perk deck.

[Jostabeere]

Originally posted by Nüwa:

Don't try to look smart if you don't..

I'm pretty sure some 1980s cars can easily compete with modern ones.