H3H3 Breaks The Lore!

[The Mad Dog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

Connor Shaw's reaction and the collective mind of the Payday 2 community proved to me the biggest flaw this community has: They have no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue what they want at all.

Before some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ comes up with some zinger saying "hurr durr, we were reason for Hoxbox's return hurr durr", guess what, that doesn't apply here at all. This was a collab between Overkill and H3H3 essentially, and people literally wanted this for the meme, not for the sake of getting the original Hoxton back because people didn't like their diet Hoxton a.k.a Houston, a.k.a the character that Overkill has also forgotten about and made a complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke.

Firstly, one point is certain, Ethan and Hila are not voice actors, in fact, I argue the lines fit perfectly. In the "lore", they were brought in for PR and PR alone, but in heists, of course they sound weak or reluctant, considering they never committed these crimes before. Before they were regular law abiding citizens who just happened to get sued and then won. Of course they would be an odd ball fit, this is to be expected, of course, I wish the delivery was done better, but I say they did the best they could. Being a VA is actually pretty difficult, because in order to portray a character or just be a VA, there's a process, and lots of vocal training. Not to mention a bunch of other ♥♥♥♥, but that's to be discussed later.

Not even gonna talk models since most of the models in the game anyways honestly look ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible, don't get me wrong, some models are better than others, and I love this game probably jsut as much as the other guy in the forums, but don't even try to complain about that.

The Airbow, it's a great gun, is there a power creep issue? Yes and no. Yes, because there's a paywall, but this pack is, lemme spell it out for the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the back corner, O-P-T-I-O-N-A-L. There are plenty of good weapons to choose from for OD, I've seen someone make an AMCAR work, and that rifle is legitimate garbage. Bows are not the end all, be all for OD builds. I personally hate the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bows, due to the sometimes lengthy reload and firing speeds. The fact you need to draw the bow back for it to effectively hit the target is a turn off, espcially if you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ miss. You might as well just walked in with your Chimano 88 and try to 1v1 an OD dozer. Besides, more than likely, it'll get nerfed into oblivion, that's pretty much out of the question. Perk decks are just that as well, O-P-T-I-O-N-A-L. Tag Team is a good concept but poorly executed, JamesBlack got this part right as well.

Last, and probably the biggest reason for this post, is the "Lore" and the "Atmosphere". Connor wanted to argue in a world where shouting at people magically removes all aliments and injury from them, bows do more damage than a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ anti-tank weapon or rival that of an anti tank weapon, you can convert fully trained and pretty much battle hardened cops to do your will, have John Wick and Jacket be playable characters, a Bomb Defusal Vest that is designed for the sake of deceasing shrapnel intake form a bomb if it were to go off is effective as a kevlar vest, a Taurus Judge is capable of dealing more damage than shotguns very known to fire 12 guage rounds while it fires a smaller round, a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ toothbrush and a kunai are more effective than a longsword or a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ katana, TONY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ MONTANA, and the list goes on and on, I can probably rant about lore if I wanted to, but this isn't an advocation to lore, rather, accusing you all of lore not existing at all.

Ever heard of Payday: The Heist? That's where the story begins, no? If you said no, guess what, you're wrong. Unless the second game is stated to take place in an alternate universe, the first game matters thanks to the reintroduction of Hoxton, in which they committed crimes to get the money and the notoriety to get the attention of the Dentist, whom is also from another ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ universe, a.k.a, he should be six feet under. So in the first game, the tone is set and the atmosphere is created. Dallas and his ragtag team of criminals from varying background go around and do what they do best, abliet shakily and very much disorganized, but nonetheless, they make their names known. So with that in mind, if I recall from memory, one of those dlcs was about robbing a hospital. No Mercy should ring a couple bells in those dense heads of yours, in which they go and get a vial of patient zero, a.k.a the cause of the outbreak from the first L4D game. Okay, this brings up a problem, in L4D, they are legit only a few survivors left in all of this, and I doubt they made it since nothing comes up for either team of survivors in L4D. They should be effectively dead at this point, their latest scheme ultimately being their downfall, considering I doubt they honestly were immune. So you mean to tell me, magically, they made it out alive and somehow, society rebuilt itself so quickly from such a devastating zombie outbreak so they can get robbed again. Okay no. No. That's not how it works. You can't simply cross over with multiple games and for ♥♥♥♥ \ to make sense right off the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bat. John Wick should be on the run, not with his buddies, unless they want to die. Nukes should've hit pretty much the majority of the United States, including Miami, where Scarface Mansion takes place, effectively killing Tony and the Sosa Cartel respectively ala Hotline Miami. Bodhi should be dead too thanks to the fact that Hawaii got ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nuked into oblivion.Tony, is well, canonically alive if the comics are canon at all, but should be dead thansk to the nukes. So quite honestly, if all these games take place in the Payday Universe, I don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ want to live there. Because it would not only be basically Fallout but Cops and Robbers, but there would be crazy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ people in animal masks, psycho assassins, and most importantly, a zombie outbreak.

In conclusion: You're a moron if you think there was ever a coherent story. I love this game for the hours I've put into it, and honestly I do understand Overkill isn't the perfect studio, at the same time, they aren't EA either. A true neutral if you will. But to argue this pack was horrible is a shot in the dark considering you're talking about a game that doesn't even know what the hell it's doing via story. I thought we played for the gameplay, and for the fun of it. This isn't OD the game or Payday the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Movie, it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game. Get over yourselves.

[Copy & Cat]

People are talking ♥♥♥♥ since they said they wouldnt add them as youtubers and did just that
https://steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/8/2741975115074529626/?ctp=3#c2741975115074556642

[[Unintelligible]]

No !
Also you don't even get the actual lore right, double ♥♥♥♥.
Most of the stuff you've noted is things you don't even understand, or most of them are not cannon.

[F.F]

>Payday 2
>Lore

Find the mistake.

[The Mad Dog]

Originally posted by Cuphead and Smugman:

People are talking ♥♥♥♥ since they said they wouldnt add them as youtubers and did just that

I think they realized if they tried to portray different characters, all anyone would ever hear, is them.

[The Mad Dog]

Originally posted by Bilary at Bensec:

>Payday 2
>Lore

Find the mistake.

The ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lore, because there is none.

[Modest Mauser]

Muh lore!

[lexilogo]

Airbow being optional is not a refutation to it being powercreep or not. Yes, there are plenty of OD viable guns in the game, many of which are free. No, that does not have any impact on the claim that the Airbow is or isn't overpowered, or that it's powercreep. I personally don't own H3H3 and don't feel that confident talking about the Airbow, but it took until the most recent update (167) for it to actually recieve a significant downside when compared to other bows, a fitting Concealment number that makes it unusuable for dodge builds.

Your talk about the lore is weird, I'm not sure where you got some of these ideas. I'll clarify a few misconceptions you have (and it's okay to have misconceptions, as long as you accept their corrections).

-No Mercy has been confirmed as noncanon, both in Payday's universe and in Left 4 Dead's. It's just a heist there for fun and has no impact on the game's lore whatsoever.

-The Dentist was not a plot element in The Heist at all and still isn't, as a retcon or otherwise. He appeared completely out of the blue in Payday 2 and the gang had no idea he even existed until The Dentist contacted them for The Big Bank. Just because he shares an actor with Gustavo Fring does not literally make him Gus either.

-Also, The Heist happened before the events of Payday 2. Hoxton got caught AFTER the events of The Heist. Hoxton was not "reintroduced" in Payday: The Heist.

-Jacket from Payday 2 is not the Jacket from Hotline Miami, either. The closest we get is that he MIGHT have committed a series of murders in a similar manner to the "real" Jacket in the events of Hotline Miami, but aside from that the Hotline Miami universe and Payday universe aren't the same, especially the alt-history stuff in Hotline Miami with Russia invading Hawaii.

As for lore stuff, I'm not going to argue this game's canon is the most consistent or sacred thing in the world. I do, however, say that Ethan + Hila should have portrayed original characters rather than literally self-inserts as themselves, and that their voicelines do not fit in with the gang at all. Tony Montana is probably the least-fitting character in this game IMO, but even then at least he's actually a famed criminal, as opposed to two completely random people. Had they been original characters who made goofy references I wouldn't be complaining all that much.

Also... Why is this a post on these forums? I mean, this belongs in Connor's comments sections as opposed to here of all places.

[Lammah]

lots of things been breaking the lore, since jacket ... the game is still fun tho.

[bruh]

Payday 2 didnt had a lore from the beggining

[Ralph]

There's a fine line between inserting YouTubers and action movie characters, will you and everyone who thinks the same way ever learn that ?

[The Mad Dog]

Originally posted by lexilogo:

Airbow being optional is not a refutation to it being powercreep or not. Yes, there are plenty of OD viable guns in the game, many of which are free. No, that does not have any impact on the claim that the Airbow is or isn't overpowered, or that it's powercreep. I personally don't own H3H3 and don't feel that confident talking about the Airbow, but it took until the most recent update (167) for it to actually recieve a significant downside when compared to other bows, a fitting Concealment number that makes it unusuable for dodge builds.

Your talk about the lore is weird, I'm not sure where you got some of these ideas. I'll clarify a few misconceptions you have (and it's okay to have misconceptions, as long as you accept their corrections).

-No Mercy has been confirmed as noncanon, both in Payday's universe and in Left 4 Dead's. It's just a heist there for fun and has no impact on the game's lore whatsoever.

-The Dentist was not a plot element in The Heist at all and still isn't, as a retcon or otherwise. He appeared completely out of the blue in Payday 2 and the gang had no idea he even existed until The Dentist contacted them for The Big Bank. Just because he shares an actor with Gustavo Fring does not literally make him Gus either.

-Also, The Heist happened before the events of Payday 2. Hoxton got caught AFTER the events of The Heist. Hoxton was not "reintroduced" in Payday: The Heist.

-Jacket from Payday 2 is not the Jacket from Hotline Miami, either. The closest we get is that he MIGHT have committed a series of murders in a similar manner to the "real" Jacket in the events of Hotline Miami, but aside from that the Hotline Miami universe and Payday universe aren't the same, especially the alt-history stuff in Hotline Miami with Russia invading Hawaii.

As for lore stuff, I'm not going to argue this game's canon is the most consistent or sacred thing in the world. I do, however, say that Ethan + Hila should have portrayed original characters rather than literally self-inserts as themselves, and that their voicelines do not fit in with the gang at all. Tony Montana is probably the least-fitting character in this game IMO, but even then at least he's actually a famed criminal, as opposed to two completely random people. Had they been original characters who made goofy references I wouldn't be complaining all that much.

Also... Why is this a post on these forums? I mean, this belongs in Connor's comments sections as opposed to here of all places.

Because Connor has a following here, believe it or not. The thing about it is, Connor isn't going to read this probably, and if he does, maybe he does have a set of balls.

Okay, to clear up some stuff, I do know the Dentist is not related to Gus, but he surely does look like him, him fitting in makes a bit more sense than all the other celebrity additions. I do know he wasn't involved in the first game either. It's common knowledge (I hope) by now that Hoxton got caught after the first game, but before the events of the second game takes place. No Mercy being stated as Non-Canon did clear up some stuff, because then they should be dead. The only thing I can argue is if that is the real Jacket or not, there's no clear indiciton besides the fact he committed several crimes of the same degree and a line from Prison Nightmare, in which I think the Giant Cloaker was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the team. But to say that 50 Blessings doesn't exist within the universe, well, if those crimes were somehow replicated, I doubt it was simply two people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with one guy. More like, it does exist, abliet to a smaller degree (I think anyways, Jacket is confusing overall, I love to play him every now and again, but his existence in the game is simply weird.). I'm just saying all of that, because if that were the case that the guest character's universes should matter as well, because with some crossovers in game series, it's considered to be canon for some series. Can't exactly name them off the bat, but Injustice and Mortal Kombat come to mind due to Raiden references and the fact Raiden is a playable character. They even made references to those events.

And I predicted the Airbow would get nerded, I'm not surprised at all, now people can stop ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about that hopefully. I didn't get how a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ big ass rifle with huge tubes and a giant magazine has the same concealment as a set of akimbo pistols or a small rifle modded with a foldable stock and a short barrel. Ultimately this post was made because I felt this was a necessary thing. Obviously people are gonna take offense to this and try to justify their things, unlike you, whom come to me like a civilized human being and actually brought forth counter arguments, I applaud you for that.

[The Mad Dog]

Originally posted by Hammer and the Anvil:

Overjew is helping another worthless jew get richer and popular, nothing new in the business $$

Okay, there's no need for being a toxic person like that, Ethan isn't even Jewish, I think maybe Hila is, but I doubt she converted Ethan to Judaism. That wasn't even remotely valuable to this discussion, next.

[The Mad Dog]

Originally posted by Cozy Kevlar:

No !
Also you don't even get the actual lore right, double ♥♥♥♥.
Most of the stuff you've noted is things you don't even understand, or most of them are not cannon.

Double ♥♥♥♥, okay, that's original I guess, but I didn't know we had cannons in Payday 2, show me the DLC big boy.

[Highfeather]

This isn't about the lore for me. That's already screwed from every possible angle.

My main problem is simply the pack's contents. The two clearly aren't up to the standard of other characters when it comes to voice acting, and it shows. With the concealment nerf, I actually really like seeing the Airbow ingame. And even though Tagteam is probably still not amazing, it's nice to see an attempt at another team-oriented perk deck.

I'd buy it from Overkill, but I kind of can't. My money is not going to support the people who nicely modeled the bow or the people who coded the perk deck.

It's going to Valve for their usual cut, and the rest is going to the two people whom did a bad job by this game's standards. And I'm not even saying those standards are high... Ethan sounds like he's desperately trying to shout every single line, and Hila sounds like she's permanently bored with life. Not necessarily a bad thing, everybody has their own voice, but there's people that can do voice acting and those who can't.

And as much as I say I don't care about the lore, I do object to how these two are represented ingame. I don't know them, but I do hope everybody saying "They're not playing characters, they're playing themselves" is kidding. It really, REALLY sounds like they're playing "Their YouTube channel" and not normal human beings. Their 'generic' lines are fine outside of the bad delivery, but many of their custom lines (okay, mostly Ethan from what I've heard) are ridiculous.
I sincerely hope nobody routinely talks about their underwear, vaping, masturbation, cringe and various memes in real life.


It's fine if people like it. I just desperately want a voice mod to change this. Like some people can't stand listening to Clover's voice cracks or Jacket's tape recorder, I can't stand listening to the performance of these two. At least they gave me a little bit of newfound respect for Ron Perlman's subpar performance as Rust...

[hedy]

Payday has no lore anymore its just cameos now.