Glitches, bad console/PC, or hacks?

[SpritePony]

So lately I've been seeing this Youtube user by the name of "Ethan 555" going around and finding these "glitches" using Sentry guns in various places and maps. Apparently, the cops stop spawning, yet in my testing, none of them actually work. He's basically always playing on Hard as well, which is still a bit sketchy.

My question to you guys is, are these actually glitches, or a result of a terrible console/computer, or perhaps even hacks?

For reference on what I'm talking about...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7nxPEnpnoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNVPQl7j-4M
and other similar videos. I've seen other people "perform" these glitches, but I'm never able to replicate them.

Yes, I know he is most likely playing in Console, but I've seen one or two people "execute" it on PC.

[∞]

glitch probably. I mean, the shadow raid glitch works like it.

[Dydrono]

well its console after all *shrugs*

[Mañana]

How do you know it was on pc? just asking as they added OD on consoles too

[im using a controller]

Why are you even trying to perform glitches on a game in which you can use hacks and Overkill will do little to nothing about it except put CHEATER in big red letters over your name. That aside, I'm pretty sure they're just normal glitches on an older build of the game since its on console.

[Mañana]

Originally posted by Charlotte Dunois:

Why are you even trying to perform glitches on a game in which you can use hacks and Overkill will do little to nothing about it except put CHEATER in big red letters over your name. That aside, I'm pretty sure they're just normal glitches on an older build of the game since its on console.

If getting kicked from every lobby and 80% of all people leaving your lobby is nothing, then ye, sure. Also is not realy wise to say

Originally posted by Charlotte Dunois:

you can use hacks

[im using a controller]

Originally posted by Call Me AK:

Originally posted by Charlotte Dunois:

Why are you even trying to perform glitches on a game in which you can use hacks and Overkill will do little to nothing about it except put CHEATER in big red letters over your name. That aside, I'm pretty sure they're just normal glitches on an older build of the game since its on console.

If getting kicked from every lobby and 80% of all people leaving your lobby is nothing, then ye, sure. Also is not realy wise to say

Originally posted by Charlotte Dunois:

you can use hacks

Didn't expect a response which explains facts almost every player knows and accepts. Nothing new. Also, why is it not wise to say you can blantly cheat/hack? Overkill clearly doesn't care if they have yet to incorporate an actual anti-cheater system. With that said, I know they're busy with other things, but their number one cash cow shouldn't be so vulnerable to cheats and DLC unlockers.

[VerrucktMedic]

I remember you could use a glitch to "stealth" Undercover regarding turrets.

[Mañana]

Originally posted by VerrucktMedic:

I remember you could use a glitch to "stealth" Undercover regarding turrets.

same

[SpritePony]

Originally posted by Charlotte Dunois:

Why are you even trying to perform glitches on a game in which you can use hacks and Overkill will do little to nothing about it except put CHEATER in big red letters over your name. That aside, I'm pretty sure they're just normal glitches on an older build of the game since its on console.

Because glitching normally affects a small portion of a thing, unlike in this case where it affects a large portion. Hacking allows you to just control and mess with EVERYTHING in the game, which is no bueno.

Originally posted by Call Me AK:

How do you know it was on pc? just asking as they added OD on consoles too

Unless Console PAYDAY 2 accepts a mouse and keyboard for input, I've seen other people "execute" some of this guy's discovered "glitches."

[im using a controller]

Originally posted by Sprite:

Originally posted by Charlotte Dunois:

Why are you even trying to perform glitches on a game in which you can use hacks and Overkill will do little to nothing about it except put CHEATER in big red letters over your name. That aside, I'm pretty sure they're just normal glitches on an older build of the game since its on console.

Because glitching normally affects a small portion of a thing, unlike in this case where it affects a large portion. Hacking allows you to just control and mess with EVERYTHING in the game, which is no bueno.

They both break the game no matter what, albeit in a major or small way. They're both equally bad and pointless to an extent. So why is hacking "no bueno?" Not trying to argue with you (OP) or anyone else here, I just honestly see no point to glitch/cheat/hack (replicate or find) in this game.

[Sep]

Cause those AI would try to aim for the turret, but probably stuck due to poor pathing.

Pretty common at Safe House Raid, happen many times with most of the cops stuck at rooftop if you place your sentry inside the house.

[Quasimodo]

Originally posted by Charlotte Dunois:

Why are you even trying to perform glitches on a game in which you can use hacks and Overkill will do little to nothing about it except put CHEATER in big red letters over your name. That aside, I'm pretty sure they're just normal glitches on an older build of the game since its on console.

They don't even do that though. The native anti cheat only has a small number of checks which don't even cover a lot of the cheats that this game has. You can run around using a gun with infinite ammo and nobody would know the difference.

[im using a controller]

Originally posted by Quasimodo:

Originally posted by Charlotte Dunois:

Why are you even trying to perform glitches on a game in which you can use hacks and Overkill will do little to nothing about it except put CHEATER in big red letters over your name. That aside, I'm pretty sure they're just normal glitches on an older build of the game since its on console.

They don't even do that though. The native anti cheat only has a small number of checks which don't even cover a lot of the cheats that this game has. You can run around using a gun with infinite ammo and nobody would know the difference.

Nobody would care if you're running around with infinite ammo, it doesn't really effect the other players, but stuff like bag spawning and blatantly killing all of the swat units with an insta-kill command in order to make the heist as easy as can be is an actual problem. Though you could probably find having infinite ammo and using an insta-kill all command similar (which you shouldn't). That aside, of course the anti-cheat wouldn't detect infinite ammo cause it doesn't need to. Infinite ammo is essentially a benefit only to the client with cheats. It detects more game breaking cheats like too many equipment spawns, someone equiping a weapon or character they don't own, or starting a contract they don't own.

[no one cares]

Originally posted by Sprite:

Apparently, the cops stop spawning, yet in my testing, none of them actually work.

Take a guess.

[DOY]

I did not watch the videos. But what I can explain to you is how the sentry exploit works. Its pretty much an open secret with the older part of the community.

You stick a sentry in an unpathable spot. The cop AI will attempt to path to the spot and stop a couple meters away from the sentries unpathable position. The AI will then get confused and cause the cop to stand or crouch in place as they cannot reach the location. If you find a unpathable spot that allows for for sentry deployment just outside a major spawning point then you essentially freeze cops in place making then take up space on the map. The total npc slots in a 4 players room ranges from 80 - 90 spawns approximately.

It is not that cops just stop spawning. Cops will keep spawning until the cap and then freeze in front of the sentries thus not allowing any more spawns. They will stand in place until the maximum allocated assault time and then the assault phase will change to 'fade/retreat'. Cop aggro will be reset and the process will repeat ifself once again. This gives players free reign on the map if you use a location that is a good distance from objectives and escape points.

BTW this guide already notes alot of the locations up to scarface heist update:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=338614940

So this Ethan555 fellow is pretty much posting about old info at least for the PC Payday 2 community.

Anddd for a final note. Ill just be badass and tell you i know how to lock down fully watchdogs, go bank and big bank because why not