Prevent cops from shooting through bushes and trees

[Malidictus]

Title, really, but let me explain. On several maps in the game - cheifly the outdoor ones - cops shooting me through threes, bushes and other shrubbery that I literally cannot see through to fire back is a big problem. White Christmas is a nightmare in this regard, with snipers routinely sniping me through multiple trees with no way for me to fire back. Large throngs of cops will often shoot at me from behind trees, as well, usually from a great distance at which I can't even fire back at the muzzle flashes bizarrely drawing over the leaves.

The Bomb: Forest is similarly nasty, with several sniper nests located in such a place that trees cover them from several angles. I can't see them through the trees by they can see me. As well - the felled trees near the road provide almost complete camouflage for cops on the road itself but I can't fire back at them because tree. Come on - that heist is difficult enough as it is without cheating AI.

But it's not just forest maps which are an issue. Election Day has the same problem. Some of the first responders will stay by their cars, which are obscured by trees from the perspective the warehouse's "left" side. Worse, if you hide out by the open-air parking lot in the left courtyard, ALL of the snipers which spawn are also obscured by the tree, as is the Turret. They can shoot at me, I can't shoot at them, or even really see where they are. The same is true for the Harvest and Trustee Bank - the sniper who shows up in the window across from the main entrance is obscured by the trees.

Cops shooting through smoke grenades I get. "They got thermal vision!!!" Cops shooting through trees and bushes is just annoying, though, since shrubbery doesn't time out. Hell, the biggest problem on the Train Heist is I can't see ♥♥♥♥ through the gall grass in multiple spots. Now I'm not asking that trees stop bullets. But can we please have trees, bushes, grass and such - things which block sight for players - also block sight for cops? How about the curtains in the Kommisar's penthouse? If I can't see through it, can we make it so the cops can't see through it even if it could, technically, be fired through? That's not challenge, it's just annoying.

[lexilogo]

"They got thermal vision an' ♥♥♥♥!"

I presume the "♥♥♥♥" is the ability to view all forms of shrubbery as transparent. I'd like some system where cops won't shoot through certain plants, though. Not to mention the Commissar's curtains are absolute BS.

[Daniel]

+1

[McKillem]

+1

They really shouldn't be able to target us through foliage.

[Bugjuice]

Originally posted by lexilogo:

Commissar's curtains are absolute BS.

I was about to say this same thing, that two snipers..

[СефСвіт]

Bomb Forest is the worst. I cannot even call out snipers right in front of me if they're behind a teeny leaf, much less shoot them back. Those tactical leaves must be made out of the same impenetrable material as the back of a shot blocking bot's head.

[Malidictus]

The weird thing is it doesn't "feel" like this should be difficult to implement. Cops can only shoot at us if they have clear line of sight between their head and our head. Level geometry blocks line of sight so we can take cover. It should be possible to force bushes and trees to also block line of sight. Isn't this already the case in, say, The Diamond where boshes in the courtyard block sight for guards and maybe cops? I don't think it's a pie-in-the-sky suggestion.

[qweqweqwe]

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Commissar's curtains,Forest & Train are all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with MLG 720 BLAZE IT NOSCOPERS.

[Bindal]

Originally posted by Malidictus:

The weird thing is it doesn't "feel" like this should be difficult to implement. Cops can only shoot at us if they have clear line of sight between their head and our head. Level geometry blocks line of sight so we can take cover. It should be possible to force bushes and trees to also block line of sight. Isn't this already the case in, say, The Diamond where boshes in the courtyard block sight for guards and maybe cops? I don't think it's a pie-in-the-sky suggestion.

The bushes in Diamond are solid, too. Hence why they block line of sight.

[Nothing.]

Definitely would like them to stop firing through bushes and other things we can clearly see thorugh. I'm only willing to buy the "thermal vision" handwave for smoke grenades, but for everything else, it's not fair. Either make foliage solid so players and cops can't shoot through it, or remove the lot of it so it's not enabling the unfair shots cops often make through ♥♥♥♥ player's can't see.

I'm reminded of a mod released a while ago that made a good bulk of the folige invisible, but it's outddated now for the newer foliage. It would also really be nice if Overkill didn't put snipers behind dense fog, as that's equally unfair, looking at you White Xmas and Alesso heist.

[Sir Psycho]

Only one thing can possibly be said to this thread. That thing is +1.
+1 a million times over

[Daniel]

I've got nothing to add, so I just say +1 when I like idea

[The Dude]

Originally posted by lexilogo:

Not to mention the Commissar's curtains are absolute BS.

Is there a problem with my curtains?

[[Cash.net]♣Durandil♣]

Well I approve of this, +1. And please don't come and tell us "it's SO impossible with this engine", modders can achieve so many things, they could do that.
And I'll add that I would also like, with that "fix", let's call it that way, a precise angle damage indicator, like the one HH has, be implemented into the base game. That would be great.

[Nervatel]

I actually have a solid reason why this is a bad idea.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/14/541906348041856872/

Do they get rid of the collision for trees ?
There would be no point to even add them

Do they increase the collision size, removing the ability to hide in trees ?
If they do it to stop players from abusing it, they would also need to give collision on many more plants and leaves, since they would allow players to safely hide inside of them, and kill cops.
The area would have to be large, since many of them can be jumped onto, at tree size, and would also mean players would run into them, trying to escape.
If you could pass through the plants, but not able shoot through them, you would get massively ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by cloakers and other specials

[Malidictus]

I'd personally be perfectly happy if trees became bulletproof in general. That's still better than being shot by cops whom I literally cannot see.