One of the best free games...

[dr_quest]

But so many issues. Maybe the worst NPC AIs I have ever played. The lag.. Is it lag or is there massive AI hit boxes? I just have to aim reasonably close and hit. Trying to implement survival elements of SCUM. If I want that, I'll go play SCUM. Great quest lines.

[Spook]

I keep thinking about Mabinogi when it was new and PVP had to be flagged manually, except people figured out by accident that if you used a specific AoE skill, you could hit non-combat targets and kill them.

There was a mass killing among the afk player shops.

There is a famous incident among the older players that involved a GM "accidentally" using the skill when he was surrounded by players during an event, and there was a screenshot going around of a massive wave of player bodies rippling outwards from using the AOE, the GM screaming a panicked "OOPS" and logging off abruptly.

Nexon games used to be so bad, the updates would download already corrupted and you had to rollback the login file server MANUALLY to log in and play.

At least with Steam F2P all you have to do i his Play, you dont have to manually search which file corrupted and ask a friend if his is secure and download a copy from a third party leech site XD

[ShelLuser]

Originally posted by Spook:

At least with Steam F2P all you have to do i his Play, you dont have to manually search which file corrupted and ask a friend if his is secure and download a copy from a third party leech site XD

Well, not fully sure about that because the game constantly updates itself outside of Steam, so ... I'm pretty sure that accidents can still happen. It's not necessarily the method, but the contents that'll pose problems.

[Spook]

Originally posted by ShelLuser:

Originally posted by Spook:

At least with Steam F2P all you have to do i his Play, you dont have to manually search which file corrupted and ask a friend if his is secure and download a copy from a third party leech site XD

Well, not fully sure about that because the game constantly updates itself outside of Steam, so ... I'm pretty sure that accidents can still happen. It's not necessarily the method, but the contents that'll pose problems.

I actually wonder how they are going to handle the users who are ghosting two computers and different accounts by using the first party launcher side by side in tandem with the steam launcher version. I'm sure all the people who were gloating about doing this in pvp just got mass banned.

Speaking of accidents; the twitch integration is really, really bad. I've seen some bad mods, but watching someone struggle with the AI ticket system to figure out why his halloween items didnt register to his account was kind of intensely stupid. A real person would have understood the problem instantly. The AI kept telling him he signed up with a different account, when he literally only has one.

Scrolling through a list of every server that ever was to try and find your own, and pray you dont mis-click, AND they are all out of order, in a list of more than 200 servers, is wild to me. That your items can be sent to a server that doesnt even exist any more and the system will ignore that you very clearly didnt get them is all kinds of nuts.

[Martin]

I wish people would stop looking blindly at games. This is NOT a free to play game, it is a gambling game designed to look like it's free to play. It is designed to lull you in and fleece you.

The weapons and armours are so badly nerfed at the moment that they're almost useless until maxed out. And even then, the mobs are all immune or massively resistant to damages output.

If I knew when I started what I know now, I'd have given this game a hard pass. As it is, I won't recommend it as it should be illegal or at least a cert 18 with gambling warning stickers all over it.

I won't be getting the Winter version and i doubt I'll be playing much longer, just waiting for new releases to come out. If anything it's the community that keeps me ingame now.

[bliznots]

Originally posted by Martin:

I wish people would stop looking blindly at games. This is NOT a free to play game, it is a gambling game designed to look like it's free to play. It is designed to lull you in and fleece you.

The weapons and armours are so badly nerfed at the moment that they're almost useless until maxed out. And even then, the mobs are all immune or massively resistant to damages output.

If I knew when I started what I know now, I'd have given this game a hard pass. As it is, I won't recommend it as it should be illegal or at least a cert 18 with gambling warning stickers all over it.

I won't be getting the Winter version and i doubt I'll be playing much longer, just waiting for new releases to come out. If anything it's the community that keeps me ingame now.

If I was younger and able to still hand it, I'd like some of whatever drug you're on

[dr_quest]

Originally posted by Martin:

I wish people would stop looking blindly at games. This is NOT a free to play game, it is a gambling game designed to look like it's free to play. It is designed to lull you in and fleece you.

The weapons and armours are so badly nerfed at the moment that they're almost useless until maxed out. And even then, the mobs are all immune or massively resistant to damages output.

If I knew when I started what I know now, I'd have given this game a hard pass. As it is, I won't recommend it as it should be illegal or at least a cert 18 with gambling warning stickers all over it.

I won't be getting the Winter version and i doubt I'll be playing much longer, just waiting for new releases to come out. If anything it's the community that keeps me ingame now.

What do you need to spend money on? I only have 100 hours in and don't see the need to spend on anything.

[EvilHare]

Originally posted by Martin:

If I knew when I started what I know now, I'd have given this game a hard pass. As it is, I won't recommend it as it should be illegal or at least a cert 18 with gambling warning stickers all over it.

False, you would still be playing. How do I know? Your hours played that you brag about.
969.1 hours
recently played 137.9 hours

I do enjoy your trolling and the false information you spread though. You got serious skill issues you need to realize.

Quite simple

[Rxxvz]

Hi Martin. This is just the Tip of the Iceberg.
as for EvilHare I think you need a break or something. I see you in almost every Post.
I would highly advertise to get some oxygen. You make yourself look like a fool.
How is he supposed to give proper feedback with just 300 hours in?
You are very delusional and your trolling behavior should be punished

[EvilHare]

Originally posted by Rxxvz:

Hi Martin. This is just the Tip of the Iceberg.
as for EvilHare I think you need a break or something. I see you in almost every Post.
I would highly advertise to get some oxygen. You make yourself look like a fool.
How is he supposed to give proper feedback with just 300 hours in?
You are very delusional and your trolling behavior should be punished

Failure to comprehend? Yes

Martin has over 900 hours and he complains about the game an average of 3 comments per hours.

I am talking to Martin. Not the OP.

[ShelLuser]

Originally posted by Martin:

This is NOT a free to play game, it is a gambling game designed to look like it's free to play. It is designed to lull you in and fleece you.

Seems to me that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. If this isn't a free game then how come I've managed to play for over 50 (!) hours without having paid 'm anything? Heck, I'll do you one better: for most of last week I actually started wondering just how they were making money out of this because this game doesn't exactly get in your face at all about using the shop to purchase items.

Sure, when you start the game you see some advertisements; unless you know what that's all about then... it's just that: an ad for an unknown product; it doesn't even provide any links to go to the shop.

Originally posted by Martin:

The weapons and armours are so badly nerfed at the moment that they're almost useless until maxed out.

Like I said before: it seems obvious to me that you simply don't yet fully understand how this game actually works. Because one thing this game is absolutely not is pay to win; everything you can buy is purely cosmetic.

Well... maybe save for one thing: if you get a metapass then your camp site will also get a recycler which you can use to process junk. But that's hardly a game changer.

As for guns and what not... I'm currently set up with 2 Tier 2 weapons (assault rifle & LMG) and I managed to pick these up during a regular missions and I can rest assure you that these pack quite a punch.

But also.... it's not just about DMG and might, it's also about being smart about all this. Mods, upgrading mods, cradle enhancements.... and that's even ignoring your deviation.

You don't have to max out your weapons to get some deadly loadout set up.

Oh right, and I didn't even mention the bonus stats which you can get from wearing a (near to complete) armor set.

Seriously... just upgrading your weapons alone is ironically enough the least important part. Because it'll be kinda meaningless without all the extra additions (like I said: mods and what not).

Originally posted by Martin:

And even then, the mobs are all immune or massively resistant to damages output.

Which is utter nonsense. Sure, sometimes you may end up facing a Great One which has a rather unique defense, but that doesn't make 'm immune.

Then there's the walker, also not immune though you can't kill it. ... but that has a reason.

Then again, since you don't provide us with any details here we can only guess about what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Martin:

If I knew when I started what I know now, I'd have given this game a hard pass. As it is, I won't recommend it as it should be illegal or at least a cert 18 with gambling warning stickers all over it.

That's only because you don't quite understand what you're dealing with.

See, I fully understand your frustration. Last week I first tried this game and I ended up writing a "can't recommend" review on Steam, though I did make sure to include the fact that I never thought this to be a bad game.

Fast forward to here and now.... And I'm a level 31 meta with a 2 story house who has just defeated the Treant in the Gaia monolith all by himself. Note: using my tier 2 weapons & armor? ;)

The real issue here is that this game is huge and the game mechanics are pretty complex. Take those weapons... it's not just about getting the "best" weapon, you'll also want weapon mods which meet your intended play style, you'll want to pick a deviation which can match that style and then you'll want to make sure to get a matching set of armor.

.... followed by unlocking more features using memetics.

And then you can think about calibrating your weapons, upgrading your mods and trying to get your hands on more blueprints for weapons & armor.

Originally posted by Martin:

I won't be getting the Winter version and i doubt I'll be playing much longer, just waiting for new releases to come out.

Yups, that's what I said too... I was intruiged enough to try and look into the story a little more but... nah, I wasn't going to play it any further.

And here we are, 60+ hours in :P

Out of all the MMO's I've played up to now this is by far one of the most honest onces where purchases are concerned. They don't rub it in your face, they don't try to lure you and most of all: even free players get tons of rewards during the main missions. Even more so if you actually go out there and take a bit of effort to explore the world some more.

But yah, this game can be utterly frustrating during the start. Been there, done that and I also complained a bit as well (well, in my review). But not understanding the mechanics isn't necessarily the games fault.

[Martin]

Originally posted by ShelLuser:

Sure, when you start the game you see some advertisements; unless you know what that's all about then... it's just that: an ad for an unknown product; it doesn't even provide any links to go to the shop.

Like I said before: it seems obvious to me that you simply don't yet fully understand how this game actually works. Because one thing this game is absolutely not is pay to win; everything you can buy is purely cosmetic.

Well... maybe save for one thing: if you get a metapass then your camp site will also get a recycler which you can use to process junk. But that's hardly a game changer.

No offence, but come back when you have a clue. They offer you a battlepass. If has some minor cosmetics and pay to win items, mostly heals, revives etc. You're lured to upgrade it, the upgrade is £30 pretty much. Something like 10£ then 20£. But it doesn't actually give you anything worthwhile, just more junk cosmetics and pay to win minor rubbish.

Then there's a monthly subscription delivers nothing, there's the glass pack, 30£ The biggest part of this isn't the glass.. it's the territory expansion. Which allows more items to build, that is pay to win as well. More machines, more stuff per day.

Then there's the loot crates.. some say the car is around 600£ some claim it's over 1500£ to get, this is the avg crates you have to buy to get a chance at the car.. flagrant gambling..

Now I don't partake in the crates or the glass.. I'm tempted.. I can afford it. The glass at least.. no way I'm paying that much for a car cosmetic..

Weapons - This is the funny one.. you do X damage.. to a mob.. lets say you do 300k per hit. First hit you take off roughly 10% 2nd 300k hit.. 8%.. 3rd 6% and so on. The damage applied is a percentage.. not a number deducted from a health pool. The boss doesn't have a million hp.. he has 100%.. hp. Now my guns do like 3k damage.. upgraded 4 stars, calibrated rank 10 and i'm still only doing 3k per hit, now sure, not using a crit build.. but even so, for me to solo many mobs, mission impossible. Fortunately I don't mind asking for help.

Armour is like the opposite of weapons.. the mobs do percent damage to you.. the self guided never miss blobs most of them get.. do 25-50% hits. That means if your health pool is 5000 or 500 you will lose half of it. The Mitigation of the armour itself is only relevant to your level difference to the mob itself. If you're higher to a dealt less damage, higher you get hit harder.. fortunately many mobs miss alot.. like starwars troopers..

Now for me, I like talking to people, helping them out, I like just riding around collecting gold and silver.. I like cooking and farming.. doing the prime wars.. so for me there's entertainment aplenty.. but the core game.. I just don't bother anymore, I can get to 50 just mining and smelting and cooking etc.

I have 8 characters all lv 35-50, most are 50.

To people like Evilhare.. yeh I complain alot.. well.. i give feedback.. I post bug reports, sometimes they're not actually bugs.. sometimes it's entirely my own fault.. welcome to life mate, the entire planet is like that. We make mistakes, the devs make mistakes they don't need your face up their backside. It doesn't help the devs if you won't give honest feedback. I have my opinions.. and a strict moral code and sense of honour. Clearly you don't. You do you.. I'll do me.

[ShelLuser]

Originally posted by Martin:

No offence, but come back when you have a clue. They offer you a battlepass. If has some minor cosmetics and pay to win items, mostly heals, revives etc.

First, it's mostly cosmetic; there are barely any usage items here.

Second: why on earth would anyone call this "pay to win" when you can, well, you know (?), also craft all those healing items yourself?

See, you can't even mention names as example. I can... you're referring to items like the quick activator (made using a normal activator + stardust). Oh right, normal activator? => Made with detoxent, glass, rubber, acid and water.

Lesseee... adrenaline shots, mixed fuel, canned lunch meat (only 2 though)....

See, it's obvious that you don't fully know what you're talking about. Unlike you I actually nabbed a battlepass and also upgraded it; while carefully checking what I got myself into. You do realize that the "usage items" are all in the standard tier whereas the advanced tier has pretty much only cosmetics?

But I see... being able to get 2 food items as a bonus is obviously pay to win. LMAO.

Originally posted by Martin:

You're lured to upgrade it, the upgrade is £30 pretty much. Something like 10£ then 20£. But it doesn't actually give you anything worthwhile, just more junk cosmetics and pay to win minor rubbish.

So not pay to win afterall, eh?

Also fun fact: you can fully check out what you're getting yourself before purchasing. It's hardly the games fault that some people are too ignorant to look at what they're buying before clicking the buy button. Guess some people never learned or mastered patience, nor self reflection for that matter.

See, you claim that people get lured into this. Once again: 1 ad when you start the game, and you can't even use it to get to the shop.

Originally posted by Martin:

Then there's a monthly subscription delivers nothing,

Can you please make up your mind already? Only a second ago you called this "pay to win" and now you're suddenly agreeing with me that it's totally harmless?

Originally posted by Martin:

there's the glass pack, 30£ The biggest part of this isn't the glass.. it's the territory expansion. Which allows more items to build, that is pay to win as well. More machines, more stuff per day.

Whoah, territory expansion! That sounds serious, now where did I see that before...

Oh right! Memetics, stage 3.... See, it's obvious that you never gave this any thought what so ever because... what good is a bigger territory when all the useful devices are still locked behind phase restrictions? At best the expansion makes things a little easier... you do realize that you can also build upwards, right? Maybe a little more tricky, but you can still fully utilize your space in the early stages if you want to.

Anyay... it's obvious to me that you're only going for easy cheap comments without having given them any thought.

Reminds me of all those cluebies during the launch of the game who made such a ruckus about the terms of service, so fully stuck up into their "evil company! believes" that they didn't even bother to do a quick / simple comparison.

Sorry, but that's the level I compare all your complaints to. But yah, as always no good deed goes unpunished within the world of gaming :P

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Meh, at the risk of making this too long... I forgot the main reason why I came to these conclusions (my "that's no p2w!") => regions. There's little stopping you from hopping into a more dangerous reason for the sole reason to nab more advanced loot. Sure, once enemies spot you you're most likely toast but nonetheless: if you manage to sneak past 'm and grab stuff you can also gain some really wild advantages.

What you call "pay 2 win" is what I'd describe as "time saving mechanics".

[Martin]

Originally posted by ShelLuser:

Originally posted by Martin:

No offence, but come back when you have a clue. They offer you a battlepass. If has some minor cosmetics and pay to win items, mostly heals, revives etc.

First, it's mostly cosmetic; there are barely any usage items here.

Second: why on earth would anyone call this "pay to win" when you can, well, you know (?), also craft all those healing items yourself?

See, you can't even mention names as example. I can... you're referring to items like the quick activator (made using a normal activator + stardust). Oh right, normal activator? => Made with detoxent, glass, rubber, acid and water.

Lesseee... adrenaline shots, mixed fuel, canned lunch meat (only 2 though)....

See, it's obvious that you don't fully know what you're talking about. Unlike you I actually nabbed a battlepass and also upgraded it; while carefully checking what I got myself into. You do realize that the "usage items" are all in the standard tier whereas the advanced tier has pretty much only cosmetics?

But I see... being able to get 2 food items as a bonus is obviously pay to win. LMAO.

Originally posted by Martin:

You're lured to upgrade it, the upgrade is £30 pretty much. Something like 10£ then 20£. But it doesn't actually give you anything worthwhile, just more junk cosmetics and pay to win minor rubbish.

So not pay to win afterall, eh?

Also fun fact: you can fully check out what you're getting yourself before purchasing. It's hardly the games fault that some people are too ignorant to look at what they're buying before clicking the buy button. Guess some people never learned or mastered patience, nor self reflection for that matter.

See, you claim that people get lured into this. Once again: 1 ad when you start the game, and you can't even use it to get to the shop.

Originally posted by Martin:

Then there's a monthly subscription delivers nothing,

Can you please make up your mind already? Only a second ago you called this "pay to win" and now you're suddenly agreeing with me that it's totally harmless?

Originally posted by Martin:

there's the glass pack, 30£ The biggest part of this isn't the glass.. it's the territory expansion. Which allows more items to build, that is pay to win as well. More machines, more stuff per day.

Whoah, territory expansion! That sounds serious, now where did I see that before...

Oh right! Memetics, stage 3.... See, it's obvious that you never gave this any thought what so ever because... what good is a bigger territory when all the useful devices are still locked behind phase restrictions? At best the expansion makes things a little easier... you do realize that you can also build upwards, right? Maybe a little more tricky, but you can still fully utilize your space in the early stages if you want to.

Anyay... it's obvious to me that you're only going for easy cheap comments without having given them any thought.

Reminds me of all those cluebies during the launch of the game who made such a ruckus about the terms of service, so fully stuck up into their "evil company! believes" that they didn't even bother to do a quick / simple comparison.

Sorry, but that's the level I compare all your complaints to. But yah, as always no good deed goes unpunished within the world of gaming :P

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Meh, at the risk of making this too long... I forgot the main reason why I came to these conclusions (my "that's no p2w!") => regions. There's little stopping you from hopping into a more dangerous reason for the sole reason to nab more advanced loot. Sure, once enemies spot you you're most likely toast but nonetheless: if you manage to sneak past 'm and grab stuff you can also gain some really wild advantages.

What you call "pay 2 win" is what I'd describe as "time saving mechanics".

You clearly don't understand or are simply ignoring what pay to win actually means. In it's simplest form, paying money to get something people not paying money don't get is pay to win. It doesn't matter if they can make it themselves, they don't have to gather the materials.. for what you get for the battlepass. So, the bp is ptw. Like it or lump it. The devs like you can deny it as much as they want, but it will always be ptw. Even if on a very minor level. Still Pay to Win. Feel free to keep the denial going tho.

Time saving mechanics..

Botting.
Exploiting.
Cheating.
Pay to Win.

Employing someone else to play the boring bits on your behalf..

Funny how it all goes under one title. Immoral usage. Make whatever excuses you want for it.