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Same thing. He goes after women. They play that up because of the effects the change has on the person.
The original book was writen in Germany. The studio is also European. Diffrent cultural preceptions.
Polish as far as I know... and for different perceptions, well i guess they don't spend half an hour in the morning saluting a pole, keeps time for reading (other stuff than Da Vinci Code craps)
Other than that...
To Vinternet
Yes, the first opus of the Witcher is clearly mysogenistic... I can pass trough that, but understand others can't...
Plus it's realistic in a medieval environment...
I've considered the fact that the game comes from a culture that I don't directly descend from, but I'm not sure that necessarily is an "excuse" for what I'm calling out as a seriously negative element of the game. As far as it being "realistic" - I'm not even concerned with whether or not the game's female characters play lazily casted roles like prostitutes and queens - that's a whole different issue. It's more the fact that there are unique elements of this game that the developers seem to have put a lot of craftsmanship and effort such as sleeping with each female character more-or-less unlocking an "achievement" (a pin-up of that character). Why, in a game so bent on mature storytelling, did this make the cut? This is the basest, most juvenile way of thinking about sex - this is the magic/medieval version of a "Bond Girl." You are right though that there is more to the game than that, I'm just having trouble seeing past this - it seems like there are enough games NOT doing that, that this should be a deal-breaker, no excuses.
I'm glad you can at least see where I'm coming from. It's depressing to think that people would see this in the game and think "that's just the way things are" without questioning it. The Witcher could have easily been released without objectifying the female characters so blatantly and would have been a better game for it.
...My wife actuly enjoyed that part of the game. She liked looking at it from the character's prespective.
If all games did what all other games did, then there woild be no point in buying a game. You can always challenge yourself by making it a point NOT to get any of the card too.
There are many ways to view things and if adding that sells the game, then that is what they will do. While you may not like it, there are many that don't mind it.
I honestly don't see that the problem is. They are drawings of a nice looking ladies in diffrent posses. I take them about as sexualy as I do my wife's (or any ladies) breast feeding. Those cards looks like art to me. As for how you get them, what is the diffrence between that and any other relationship in any other game? You just get a card for it in this one.
Obviously I can't speak for any and all people, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who feel otherwise. I'm not trying to say this game shouldn't be allowed to do this or that having sexy characters is bad or anything like that. I'm just saying that it seems like just a really, really bad idea. I mean, if a movie or a book did this, it would be ridiculed to no end for being (unintentionally) campy and sexist and immature. This game does plenty of things really well - giving the player a bunch of sex dolls to seduce and collect is not one of them. That's something that screams to me of a shallow attempt at "adulting-up" the game and tittilating straight male gamers. It doesn't add much to the characters, and it certainly doesn't add much that couldn't have been handled in a better way.
Everyone's entitled to their opinions, and I don't think the devs are evil or anything, but this does seem to me like something that's just so blatantly *bad* that it should be criticized more often. I'm honestly shocked that "those ridiculous sex cards" isn't the Witcher-mocking meme that it could be. I don't think it would be hard to convince anyone inereste in storytelling (and The Wicher's devs and creators certainl are) that this is not good for their story.
I haven't made any ridiculous claims here - my thoughts are perfectly tempered. I didn't create a petition for the White House or start preaching that this was a sign of the end-of-days in the streets: I posted a reasonable argument in a forum dedicated to The Witcher. If you're not interested in having a discussion about the pros and cons of this game, I don't think we have much more to say to each other.
I hate having my character drunk like a skunk myself. Still not a bad game.
2- Confusing real life with fictional settings and characters. (they are called fictional settings for a reason.)
3-You are saying that you are discussing what's in the game on the game's forum (fair enough) {buzz sound} WRONG! you are blatantly calling a game BAD, last time I checked that's not discussing.
If you check my profile, I haven't actually played or even started The Witcher 1 or 2. I was merely checking the game's forum to see how people feel about it. you didn't actually point out any cons or pros, you just said (and this is me summarizing) OHHHHH, THIS GAME IS NOT GOOD, ITS VERY VERY BAD BECAUSE IT MAKES WOMAN LOOK BAD! LETS ALL DISREGARD THE ACTUAL MEDIEVAL SETTING AND BURN THIS GAME WITH FIRE.
And please don't lecture me on sexism in video games. If anything I suffer from something worse, RACISM in video games. how many Call of Dutys and Medal of Honors are based in the middle east killing "terrorists". (I'm Arab btw) PEW PEW let's kill those damn arab terrorists.....sigh.
go check those games' forums, you won't see me posting pointless complaints...because it's FICTIONAL.
lastly, if you posted this "review" and you werent expecting bad feedback then I don't know what to tell you.
have a nice day.
@bl3a5ck - I'm surprised at how hostile your reaction to my post seems to be. I don't think I'm being unreasonable, but maybe I haven't been clear on my stance? I think the game is great, has a great implementation of things RPG players like myself love (side quests, dialogue choices, a complex crafting system, slightly more interesting combat than some action RPGs). But part of the reason I picked up the game is because I had heard from so many people that the storytelling was amazing. I've been disappointed in this aspect of the game so far, because actually it seems to me like the storytelling is really awful. While some of it is executed better than most games, it relies heavily on a lot of ugly tropes, the main one I've chosen to mention here being that its only female characters (that I have encountered so far) are given a somewhat prominent role within the game as "people to have sex with". Those sex scenes make up a small percentage of the total time playing the game, but the characters (and their backstories, and their clothing, and their dialogues) all contribute to the problem, and the inclusion of the "Sex Cards" stood out to me as something so blatant and uniquely over-the-line in this game that it was worth calling out.
I'm sorry to hear that you have to confront the games industry's imbalanced representation of Arab characters so frequently. I think the fact that these games are fiction is exactly why they have a responsibility to be a bit more representative for the audience that plays them. The Witcher and Call of Duty are games we play to escape the real world and enjoy ourselves (while obviously they're also grounded in things we know about the real world). I don't think anyone would have a harder time enjoying The Witcher if it took a more gender-balanced approach to characters. I think a similar statement could be made about the depiction of race in a shooter like Call of Duty. If The Witcher were a non-fiction documentary about a real guy who slept with all these women, it wouldn't be weird that the developers made the creative choices they did, it would just be accurate :P
Anyway, as I said in my original post, I am not quite sure how I feel about The Witcher. I want to participate in all the fervent fandom that surrounds this game because i love RPGs and there are elements of this game I really like. I even like that it's a game willing to "go there" and include a character's romantic life and sexuality in its gameplay. I just think it does it at great cost to the respectability of its story, and I wanted to see if anyone else who had confronted the same internal conflict had thoughts to share. Clearly there are some people here who have played the game and were unfazed, and some for whom these parts of the game didn't quite sit right.
I didn't mean to post a review of the game, certainly (I'm not finished with it, and by my own admission I'm not sure what to think of it) but if you take anything away from this, take this: the game's story is peppered with female characters with whom the main character has the option of having sex (sometimes this involves "seducing them" through a few dialogue options ahead of time), When the scenes are done, the game pauses to show a sort of pin-up image of character art of the woman you've slept with. (Depending on the version of the game, she'll either be nude or almost-nude). The pin-up images seemed distasteful to me, because it felt like each woman was an "achievement" I could "unlock" (this is generally considered an unhealthy but common attitude for young men to adopt about women). All the other things about the female characters' revealing clothing, flirtacious dialogue, etc., wouldn't have bothered me much were it not for this taking the cake. If you don't think it will bother you - great! Enjoy the game! I would welcome your thoughts on this (before or after you've played it) because I really do think this is an interesting discussion.
TL;DR I really do want to have a discussion, I don't hate the game, I'm not sure how I feel about it (hence the '?' in my post title) and if you have any thoughts on how the developers some how made up for this negative element (or how it can be seen as a positive one instead) I'd welcome them.