The Witcher: Enhanced Edition

The Witcher: Enhanced Edition

Master Zone 8/fev./2014 às 23:54
HOLY COW!!! ---(Spoilers)--- THE END
HOLY COW!!! I just killed Alvin! He was the guy you killed at the end! How did you guys feel when you found out you actually killed Alvin at the end!?

It was kind of a shock for me. :tgrin:
Última edição por Master Zone; 8/fev./2014 às 23:54
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Master Zone 9/fev./2014 às 8:34 
I heard some people still don't believe the grand master is alvin... They must not have been paying attention.
Alex 9/fev./2014 às 11:41 
There's actually one tiny problem with believing Alvin is the grandmaster.

Taken from the Witcher wiki:

"townspeople in Chapters II and III already speak of Jacques de Aldersberg despite the fact that Alvin is in the care of Geralt and either Triss or Shani at that time and place, suggesting that they are two different people. Others feel that the two co-existing does not violate any time-travelling principles. One possible inconsistency is that Alvin has blonde hair and Jacques de Aldersberg has brown hair" Hair can darken too.

So it's pretty much speculation. I still think it fits the best that Alvin is the grandmaster though.
Master Zone 9/fev./2014 às 16:41 
Escrito originalmente por Talesan:
There's actually one tiny problem with believing Alvin is the grandmaster.

Taken from the Witcher wiki:

"townspeople in Chapters II and III already speak of Jacques de Aldersberg despite the fact that Alvin is in the care of Geralt and either Triss or Shani at that time and place, suggesting that they are two different people. Others feel that the two co-existing does not violate any time-travelling principles. One possible inconsistency is that Alvin has blonde hair and Jacques de Aldersberg has brown hair" Hair can darken too.

So it's pretty much speculation. I still think it fits the best that Alvin is the grandmaster though.


A lot of my family had blond hair up till we were around 4-5, then it turned dark brown.

I also took this from the witcker wiki

"One possible inconsistency is that Alvin has blonde hair and Jacques de Aldersberg has brown hair. However, children born with blonde hair in real life often darken to a middle brown as they grow up, so this difference in hair color is not prohibitive."

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Alvin


I don't really think there is any debate to have about it. The fact the Grand Master is Alvin is so blatanly in yyour face at the end of the game.
Última edição por Master Zone; 9/fev./2014 às 17:31
Ragnarök 10/fev./2014 às 4:59 
More likely, he was a dimension shifter and had already met Geralt before somewhere else in a different time.

At the beginning of this game, Geralt returns to the land of the living, but who's to say that the world he enters is the same as the one he left. In the world he enters, he may have already met Alvin as a child and played a role in what de Aldersberg became. Likely de Aldersberg forsaw his own downfall and returned to Geralt to understand where and why he went astray, re-asking Geralt the same questions, hoping to change his fate and avoid becoming a monster. (Literally the last thing he says to you in the game is "I'll remember that, Geralt.")

Somewhere along the road of life and perhaps at no real fault of his own, Alvin forgot or misunderstood the lessons he was taught, or perhaps he was never taught the right lessons in the first place. Whatever the case, he failed to cheat destiny, so the Wild Hunt came for him in the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swEC4gMvCN4

He's talking about Ciri, though, if Geralt hands over Alvin his "destiny" would be fulfilled and the story would end. Like a father, he clearly felt responsible for Alvin. The safer path would have been to just hand him over and let the hunt finally end. But that's not Geralt's style.
Última edição por Ragnarök; 10/fev./2014 às 5:45
any_ill 8/ago./2014 às 12:33 
I bought The Witcher 1 several years ago (Maybe even when it was released?) and could never bring myself to finish it (mostly because of the awefully long loading time, and the fact that each time I had the courage to play it again I had to restart the game to remember everything whic became boring after a few times).
So a few weeks ago, I got a new computer (Loading times defeated!). And now I just finished this f****** game.

So first, I have no idea how I could stay away from such spoilers this long on a game I was so interested and read so much about (despite the time it took me to complete it ^^) but I need to thank the community to be so discrete.
Second: OMFG! I didn't pay much attention to the rethoric of the grand maester as I agreed with his goals but found him stupid for not sharing his intel and looking for better means rather than thinking "If I can't find another solution, nobody can" so I did not catch on to what he or the wild hunt king said. When Dandelion made the remark about the amulet being much older than Alvin's, I was struck with horror as I slowly realized what had probably happened but looking for a way to deny it.
It was so awesome that I had a hard time paying attention to the final cutscene. I strongly believe the maester was Alvin because it would be meaningful to the story (and coherent). In any case, this is the way to do a twist. The slow build up and the possibility to desperately deny it are soul crushing when a "haha, I'm Alvin" would have been underwhelming.

PS: Sorry for the necro but I believe it's better to necro than to create a new post when it's not necessary.
Asterio 8/ago./2014 às 13:35 
A little thing I noticed.

When Alvin appears on the mountain during the epilogue, his shadow has the same shape of Grandmaster's body.
Regnes 8/ago./2014 às 15:57 
Escrito originalmente por Talesan:
There's actually one tiny problem with believing Alvin is the grandmaster.

Taken from the Witcher wiki:

"townspeople in Chapters II and III already speak of Jacques de Aldersberg despite the fact that Alvin is in the care of Geralt and either Triss or Shani at that time and place, suggesting that they are two different people. Others feel that the two co-existing does not violate any time-travelling principles. One possible inconsistency is that Alvin has blonde hair and Jacques de Aldersberg has brown hair" Hair can darken too.

So it's pretty much speculation. I still think it fits the best that Alvin is the grandmaster though.

I think there was enough evidence to support to theory, that coupled with how the game very pointedly infers the two were one in the same, it's pretty safe to say it's true.

Alvin always got on my nerves, so I felt kind of good about the whole thing.
[KO19] Davide 19/set./2015 às 13:34 
This thread is already very old but I would like to add something. When you ask Alvin right after arriving in Murky Waters, he tells you that he is always the Grand Master when the kids play "kill the elves" Another subtle hint that he really is the Grand master.
Xzarg 1/out./2015 às 20:51 
Escrito originalmente por The Donald:
This thread is already very old but I would like to add something. When you ask Alvin right after arriving in Murky Waters, he tells you that he is always the Grand Master when the kids play "kill the elves" Another subtle hint that he really is the Grand master.

Nice catch!
I just finished the game, and loved the ending.

A few more Alvin - Jacques connections:
- The whole "taken hostage by elves" situation helps explain why the grandmaster hates elves.
- Alvin wanted to be a witcher like Geralt, Jacques leads an order dedicated to monster hunting.
giltheone 17/out./2015 às 11:21 
One of the possible replies to Alvin in one of the dialogues in Murky Waters, and the one I chose actually, was to ask Alvin why not be a knight (instead of a witcher), to which Alvin responds that a knight can be honorable, and then adds that a knight-witcher would be the best possible scenario (not with those words, exactly, I'm paraphrasing).

So this again highlights an Alvin-Jacques connection: Jacques is a knight who (at least according to his own interpretation) slays monsters
Muad'Dib 7/ago./2016 às 20:59 
For me there is no doubt that he was Alvin. And i will point out why. (I just finished the game 1 minute ago for the first time... SHAME ON ME. So:

1.When you ask Alvin right after arriving in Murky Waters, he tells you that he is always the Grand Master when the kids play "kill the elves" Another subtle hint that he really is the Grand master.
2.When Alvin appears on the mountain during the epilogue, his shadow has the same shape of Grand-master's body.
3. But most IMPORTANTLY when you if you decide to give him to the Wild Hunt he tells you that you knew Jacques under another name, but never specifies what name that was. OMG THIS ENDING WAS MIND BLOWING.
4. Also, when Jacques' group comes to the aid of the refugees in the Swamp Cemetery (Chapter V), Jacques tells Geralt that he was returning a favour by saving the witcher's life, possibly referring to Geralt rescuing Alvin from kidnappers in Chapters I and III, killing the Devourer who attacks Alvin in Chapter IV or slaughtering the barghests hunting Alvin at the beginning of Chapter I.
5. In addition some of Jacques conversation in Ice Plains reflects the choices you tell Alvin in the Murky Waters area (for example that "a person's gift should be used for good of others", to which the Grand Master repeats the same comment in first person and says he was told that many times by the Witcher), it would be impossible for the Grand Master to know that conversation unless he was Alvin (or somehow met Alvin after the events of Murky Waters).
6.In the scene where Alvin tells Geralt that he wants to be a witcher, the player can answer "Don't become a witcher, become a knight" to which Alvin replies "I will be a Witcher-Knight!" suggesting a knight who hunts monsters, as the Order of the Flaming Rose does. Furthermore, during a dialogue with Siegfried, Geralt learns that even a witcher can become a member of the Order.
7.In the Fields in Chapter IV, the player must choose a piece of advice to give to Alvin. Whichever advice you choose, it will be parroted back to Geralt by Jacques in the Epilogue, which is highly suggestive. The Quests section of the Journal even notes the correlation: "The Grand Master's words seem familiar, though I'm not sure to what..."
8.A letter found in The Witcher 3 confirms the theory.
Última edição por Muad'Dib; 7/ago./2016 às 21:10
Lolssi 9/fev./2017 às 6:38 
I actually played this years ago but if I got it then I had forgotten about it. I finished this again yesterday and was mind blown :) So amazing game.
And I propably wouldn't have understood it without playing Witcher 3 and knowing Ciri's powers as Alvin clearly had similar.
It was also mentioned in a book that most powerful of the elder blood can travel through time and space so that is one more hint that Alvin was Grandmaster.
I also loved how well they were already setting up the coming of White Frost in the original game.
rhufus1 22/fev./2017 às 20:22 
Alvin is Ciri, not the Grand Master.
Master Zone 23/fev./2017 às 1:18 
Escrito originalmente por rhufus1:
Alvin is Ciri, not the Grand Master.

Alvin is based on Ciri, and in this game story Alvin is the Grand Master.
Última edição por Master Zone; 23/fev./2017 às 1:18
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