Satanic Rituals

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alright, so im under 18 years old and i was wondering one thing. So in the '80s there was controversey over the satanic rituals adn witchcraft in the board game. Now my question is, is any of that stuff in this game? or anything a mother who is a little overprotective (said by a few adults i know) will get mad over by?

[Aleksi]

Ryvucz a écrit :

KappAdmiral a écrit :

Huh? It's painfully obvious. You can even play as a satanistic class (warlock) these days.

There isn't a "Satan" in D&D you n3wb.

There aren't warlocks in the real world either. Go back to smoking meth.

Your disbelief doesn't make it any less true.

The fact that you have to resort in namecalling to reinforce your argument just proves my point.

[Panic Fire]

Count Dankula a écrit :

alright, so im under 18 years old and i was wondering one thing. So in the '80s there was controversey over the satanic rituals adn witchcraft in the board game. Now my question is, is any of that stuff in this game? or anything a mother who is a little overprotective (said by a few adults i know) will get mad over by?

Ah yes. The 80's satanic witch hunts. Fun times. First off DnD doesn't contain abrahmaic religions hence no satan.

That being said the whole 80's witch hunt stuff was actually all made up and not true. As in yes there was a satanism scare in the 80's however what caused the scare to happen was a hoax. And media just exploded it for no reason. There was a guy who claimed to have been in a satanic cult in a daycare wrote a book, blah blay. The country went ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. However the guy himself made the whole thing up.

Basically DnD got a bad rap in the 80's due to a jackass trying to sell books.

[Panic Fire]

KappAdmiral a écrit :

Equilibrium a écrit :

Wow. Just wow. The 80's "D&D is Satanic" propaganda is still alive and well today? LMFAOCOPTER

Huh? It's painfully obvious. You can even play as a satanistic class (warlock) these days.

A warlock features demons, not satan.

DnD lore vs the Bible in a nutshell (quick version)

Abrahamic religions feature a character called Satan. Orginally he was an ally of god and his job was to TEST mortals based on gods will. However much much later Christianity vilified him and turned him into the Devil who is incharge of Hell the afterlife for people who don't believe ect. The terms Satan (means advisary) Devil, Demon ect. While used in the Bible do not nessarily corelate to there normal ussage at the time.


Dnd Lore puts
Demons - As chaotic Evil creatures from another plane of existance to Mortals.
Devils - Are Lawful Evil creatures (the have a code of conduct they must follow)
Satan - Does not exist in DnD lore.

A warlock is a class that makes deals with Extra Planar Creatures (creatures not from our realm of existance) to aquire power. This includes but doesn't entail only demons and devils. They can make pacts countless Planar Creatures and often do. (Demons just tend to be easier because they purposefully make themselves available to spread chaos)

A Warlock can't be a Satanic class because there is no Satan in DnD. And its not nessarily a demon summoning class either. And frankly though called Demons and Devils they have both distinct simularities and differnces from the Abrahamic representations. You can basically think of them as distinctly differnt creatures in DnD rather than a Bible style Demon.

[Aleksi]

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KappAdmiral a écrit :

Huh? It's painfully obvious. You can even play as a satanistic class (warlock) these days.

A warlock features demons, not satan.

DnD lore vs the Bible in a nutshell (quick version)

Abrahamic religions feature a character called Satan. Orginally he was an ally of god and his job was to TEST mortals based on gods will. However much much later Christianity vilified him and turned him into the Devil who is incharge of Hell the afterlife for people who don't believe ect. The terms Satan (means advisary) Devil, Demon ect. While used in the Bible do not nessarily corelate to there normal ussage at the time.


Dnd Lore puts
Demons - As chaotic Evil creatures from another plane of existance to Mortals.
Devils - Are Lawful Evil creatures (the have a code of conduct they must follow)
Satan - Does not exist in DnD lore.

A warlock is a class that makes deals with Extra Planar Creatures (creatures not from our realm of existance) to aquire power. This includes but doesn't entail only demons and devils. They can make pacts countless Planar Creatures and often do. (Demons just tend to be easier because they purposefully make themselves available to spread chaos)

A Warlock can't be a Satanic class because there is no Satan in DnD. And its not nessarily a demon summoning class either. And frankly though called Demons and Devils they have both distinct simularities and differnces from the Abrahamic representations. You can basically think of them as distinctly differnt creatures in DnD rather than a Bible style Demon.

They were inspired from something.

While you are correct technically correct, the warlock class could be looked as an analogy to satanist-occultists and the DDO evil creatures as an analogy to biblical satanic creatures.

Even if you disagree, the rituals and sacrificals etc. do/can look like satanic rituals when it comes to parental observation without knowledge of the game lore.

[Doug]

There were never any satanic rituals associated with D&D: not in the 80s nor at any other time. However, some people at the time thought that imagination itself was dangerous and could lead to a person acting in real life they way they did in their imagination-based game. At the same time, there was a lot of concern about violence on TV and in games and how that might shape people to be violent in real life. None of those concerns have proven to be founded in reality (at least for any reasonably sane person.. those who already have issues with aberrant psychology are another story). If you want, you can look up the specific studies (assuming you believe science isn't anti-God, which is a belief I've encountered, but consider nonsensical... how can studying creation somehow run counter to the Creator?).

The next concern Christians often bring up is magic. Since they believe in extra-worldly powers, it's not a stretch for them to believe that magic might be real and inspired/powered by Satan. In this view, D&D is seen as a 'hook' to tempt Christians into the sin of magic. If your beliefs fall into this category, don't play D&D.

Finally, there's the question of themes that Christians would consider inappropriate. Aside from generic spell-casting, there's at least one religious leader who has clearly sold his soul (or some equivalent) and is on the side of evil. Warlocks make pacts with extra-planar creatures. While DDO doesn't specifically suggest that all such creatures are evil, it's way too parallel to the idea of selling one's soul to the devil for power to make Christians comfortable. Wizards can choose the path of the Necromantic 'Pale Master' and become a zombie, wraith, vampire, or even lich.
And, of course, you encounter and fight demons, devils and all manner of evil. If you are not permitted to encounter these themes, DDO is not for you.

All that being said, DDO is overall a story of good vs evil, of striving against powers with malefic intentions, of protecting the innocent. These, it seems to me, are themes the Christian ought to support. If you believe you live in a world of evil against which you must strive, DDO supports that mindset.

In the final analysis, only you and your parents can decide what's appropriate for you. I will mention that overall, DDO doesn't have a young playerbase. If you're under 18, you won't find many others. Also, while the public chats are benign, some people, groups, and guilds use a lot of profane or sexual language.

[Talana 💃]

Some really good answers here, from my fellow Christians who play D&D, and others.
So I do not have much to add , except if someone cannot play games with magic in them, they obviously cannot read novels,fairytales or watch movies with those themes either.
When my parents grew up, it was actually the same worries about cartoons , comics and TV .
Actually, when printing first was invented, people were warned that reading might be really bad for them. Sigh.

Though I don`t like playing evil myself, I wouldn`t be so quick to point fingers at those who does. In movies, and definitely also in movies with Christian themes, someone has to play the bad guy/girl. And it is a popular role for some actors/gamers, because it is often really difficult to manage, and not at all because they are bad people.

Lastly, @Count Dankula, I still think you should wait to play DDO a few years, until you are settled with a nice job and income.
Not because of the reasons you are worried about, but because it is really expensive. I know it says Free to Play, and the main game is. But if you really want to get into it, you need to be prepared to use Lots of money.

[gringofoot]

this question turned into a thread that is A LOT more entertaining than I thought it would be.

I personally believe that if satan exists, it's far more likely to encounter in a boardroom, using a laptop and telephone to poison the drinking water of an entire city just because they don't usually vote for wealthy tax cheats - than it is to find satan through a laptop, on the living room couch, eating grilled cheese and leveling up a rogue in a computer game.

poisoning drinking water, stealing billions of people's life savings and making billions from global warfare and prison - is A LOT more satanic than any computer game.

your mileage may vary.

[Ryvucz]

KappAdmiral a écrit :

Ryvucz a écrit :

There isn't a "Satan" in D&D you n3wb.

There aren't warlocks in the real world either. Go back to smoking meth.

Your disbelief doesn't make it any less true.

The fact that you have to resort in namecalling to reinforce your argument just proves my point.

You're more offended about being called a n3wb than you are about being told to go back to smoking meth?

Crazy, you must be a proud methhead.

[Aleksi]

Ryvucz a écrit :

KappAdmiral a écrit :

Your disbelief doesn't make it any less true.

The fact that you have to resort in namecalling to reinforce your argument just proves my point.

You're more offended about being called a n3wb than you are about being told to go back to smoking meth?

Crazy, you must be a proud methhead.

Of course. Must've caused by this game which endorses drug usage (potions duh).

Why so serious?[/quote]

[PaganGamer2025]

Dungeons and Dragons has nothing to do with satan. The media and the church just looked for a scapegoat to blame

[PaganGamer2025]

Count Dankula a écrit :

its mainly satanic/witch rituals i was concerned about

You could make the same argument for drugs and blame Al Pachino for his role in Scarface

[PaganGamer2025]

Talana a écrit :

Some really good answers here, from my fellow Christians who play D&D, and others.
So I do not have much to add , except if someone cannot play games with magic in them, they obviously cannot read novels,fairytales or watch movies with those themes either.

Good point. If someone is trying to claim some kind of moral high ground by bashing D&D because of evil, sorcery, ect and then turn around and watch the Wizard of Oz, then they are hypocrites.

Also the same 'church' that villified Dungeons and Dragons as evil or immoral, is the same 'church' that simply sat back and did nothing as their priests raped little boys

[Aleksi]

DrunkenGamer2018a a écrit :

Talana a écrit :

Some really good answers here, from my fellow Christians who play D&D, and others.
So I do not have much to add , except if someone cannot play games with magic in them, they obviously cannot read novels,fairytales or watch movies with those themes either.

Good point. If someone is trying to claim some kind of moral high ground by bashing D&D because of evil, sorcery, ect and then turn around and watch the Wizard of Oz, then they are hypocrites.

Also the same 'church' that villified Dungeons and Dragons as evil or immoral, is the same 'church' that simply sat back and did nothing as their priests raped little boys

I'm not bashing anything. I think videogames should have more satanic rituals (or satanic-looking, such as raising dead in Korthos). They add flavor and give me the impression that I'm fighting the evil forces.