Can't Nominate Son as Heir

[Ville Valste]

I'm an Emperor +5 Kings, I'm going to lose the Empire and my former primary Kingdom on succession, while the last Kingdom goes to my niece. Succession type is agnatic-cognatic elective and I can't nominate my only son as heir to anything. He started out as the heir, but then inherited the "Tietäjä"-title (temporal head of religion for the reformed Suomenusko) along with 4 Duchy-tier titles. None of his titles have a successor for some reason.

Tietäjä has been with my characters for hundreds of years just fine until my last character became an emperor and then it was lost in succession, but I managed to behead the pretender and have my son inherit the title, which was a mistake?

[sudokek]

>elective

is where you messed up. You're now in the abyss sir. Sounds like you maybe ruined your save by setting it to Elective, cause eventually everyone wants a piece of that pie. No one is going to vote for your son. They'll vote for their favorite person to take the throne when you die.

Sucks to say bro, but you goofed by switching the succession to elective. Let your kingdom break then take it back via claims and fixing it as you go. You probably meant to use Elective Gravelkind rather than Elective.

[Ville Valste]

I went from Elective Gavelkind to Elective, because it seemed like a good idea at the time (only real other choice was Seniority). Incidently my dynasty used to be everywhere in the lower ranks at the time, but now I've somehow managed to get all of them killed except now myself, my son and my niece. But that doesn't explain why I can't nominate my son as the heir, does it?

[sudokek]

fair, I suppose that doesn't explain why you can't nominate him. Is there a more legitimate son of yours or something? Can you nominate a different son? If so or not, why do you think? Like, what seems to be the core of the issue in your perception to you? Cause ofc we can't see your screen like you can.

[Ville Valste]

Like I said, I've only got one son, who's also the head of religion and essentially 4 Dukes. The only member of my dynasty I can nominate is my niece, who doesn't hold any landed titles. Since the succession's gender law is agnatic-cognatic, that mean I can nominate her only because my son already isn't eligible (I think).

[Ville Valste]

I've looked into it a lit bit more and I've found that my son is actually still the heir of my dynasty. Also 2 of the Kingdoms have Agnatic Gavelkind, another 2 have Agnatic-Cognatic Elective Gavelkind (my son is the heir to all of those). The Empire and one of the Kingdoms are Agnatic-Cognatic Elective and for those I can only nominate my niece.

So is it then, because I have gavelkind in part of my titles that causes my son being unable to be nominated for those titles that don't have gavelkind, because then the titles wouldn't be overall "fairly divided"? Though agnatic-cognatic should still mean that if there's an eligible male, only males could inherit, so it still doesn't make any sense. Actually agnatic-cognatic for elective doesn't really make sense either, because if there's a single eligible male, then electors that are females wouldn't be able to nominate themselves (which wouldn't be fair?).

Solution=Kill my niece?

[Ville Valste]

And now I realised Gavelkind is the reason there's only one branch of the family alive, because most of the other branches had to be killed to unify the realm. The few branches that I didn't have to kill died off in the black death.

[Ville Valste]

Nope, killing my niece didn't help.

[Bob The Tomato]

Originally posted by Ville I Valste:

I'm an Emperor +5 Kings, I'm going to lose the Empire and my former primary Kingdom on succession, while the last Kingdom goes to my niece. Succession type is agnatic-cognatic elective and I can't nominate my only son as heir to anything. He started out as the heir, but then inherited the "Tietäjä"-title (temporal head of religion for the reformed Suomenusko) along with 4 Duchy-tier titles. None of his titles have a successor for some reason.

Tietäjä has been with my characters for hundreds of years just fine until my last character became an emperor and then it was lost in succession, but I managed to behead the pretender and have my son inherit the title, which was a mistake?

Elective is great for a fledgling kingdom. But once you start getting vassals, it becomes precarious.

At least, in my 200 hour experience. Take that for what it's worth. c.c

[Ville Valste]

Originally posted by Goth Skunk:

Originally posted by Ville I Valste:

I'm an Emperor +5 Kings, I'm going to lose the Empire and my former primary Kingdom on succession, while the last Kingdom goes to my niece. Succession type is agnatic-cognatic elective and I can't nominate my only son as heir to anything. He started out as the heir, but then inherited the "Tietäjä"-title (temporal head of religion for the reformed Suomenusko) along with 4 Duchy-tier titles. None of his titles have a successor for some reason.

Tietäjä has been with my characters for hundreds of years just fine until my last character became an emperor and then it was lost in succession, but I managed to behead the pretender and have my son inherit the title, which was a mistake?

Elective is great for a fledgling kingdom. But once you start getting vassals, it becomes precarious.

At least, in my 200 hour experience. Take that for what it's worth. c.c

I was thinking I didn't really mind who'd get elected, but there were plenty of my kinsmen around back then and I was holding 10 counties to myself. Even now I'm easily the most powerful entity in my Empire with just my retinue, but only having one county and possibly losing the Kingdoms might change things in the long term.

[Ville Valste]

I also can't marry my son. As in, if I try to marry him, he's not in the list to choose the spouses. This might actually be a game over.

[Ville Valste]

There's been an advancement, the son is now in power and got a daughter, who's been put as the heir to the Gavelkind Kingdoms, but is still not available for nomination on the Elective Kingdoms/Empire.

[Krail]

Is it that he is not in the list of potential nominees? If so, then I might have had a similar problem. My work around was restarting the game (sometimes computer). Sorry, if that did not solve the problem.

[Ville Valste]

Originally posted by Krail:

Is it that he is not in the list of potential nominees? If so, then I might have had a similar problem. My work around was restarting the game (sometimes computer). Sorry, if that did not solve the problem.

It didn't, but the son of the original character (who's been murderised by now) had a son and now he's the heir to all the titles. Now I just have to somehow change the succession law to something that isn't elective, but doesn't split up the Empire. Which, again Seniority is the only option until I tech-up and enact a bunch of other laws. Is it really that bad or am I worrying for nothing?

[sudokek]

Elective is pretty ♥♥♥♥. I don't always mind senority as iirc it stays in your dynasty. Elective is basically any super power in your nation can take the throne, iirc.

[Ville Valste]

Originally posted by sudokek:

Elective is pretty ♥♥♥♥. I don't always mind senority as iirc it stays in your dynasty. Elective is basically any super power in your nation can take the throne, iirc.

How about just Gavelkind then? Comparing that to Seniority I mean.