Are Enatic Republics Possible Now?

[Heretek1914]

With the release of holy fury, plus seeing some screenshots of female patricians, I thought it would be possible to form a "women's republic," but I seem to only be able to form the old patrician electives that make women near pointless to have around.

[Blaze]

yeah republics are more or less hardcoded to be male only so not really worth your time.

[markdb92]

you can have enatic republics now

[g0r3yl0v3rz]

Please post reference or proof. I have yet to see this become possible.

[Mr_Faorry]

I'm sure I remember one of the devs saying they were possible in the DD that revealed them.

[Varainger]

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

I'm sure I remember one of the devs saying they were possible in the DD that revealed them.

I'm sure i have read the opposite."No, no changes to Merchant Republics succession. "
..and more of such statements regarding republics in :
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-dev-diary-106-new-succession-laws-extravaganza.1125508/page-2

[markdb92]

you can make them by reforming your pagan religion to use enatic clans and click reform. You may need to delete the is male line in the decison file and your got your self a woman lead republic. Cant do it in ironman but who plays that.

[Mr_Faorry]

Originally posted by Varainger:

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

I'm sure I remember one of the devs saying they were possible in the DD that revealed them.

I'm sure i have read the opposite."No, no changes to Merchant Republics succession. "
..and more of such statements regarding republics in :
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-dev-diary-106-new-succession-laws-extravaganza.1125508/page-2

That is talking about how MR succession works, Feudal elective got redone and Prince elective and Imperial elective added and people were asking if MR elections got changed. That doesn't say anything about enatic clans and MR's.

[Varainger]

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

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That doesn't say anything about enatic clans and MR's.

Err....? If MR succession hasn't been changed, then that' a no for enatic, what's so hard to understand about this ?

[Mr_Faorry]

Originally posted by Varainger:

Err....? If MR succession hasn't been changed, then that' a no for enatic , what's so hard to understand about this ?

When they were talking about changes to MR's they meant changes to the way it works, changing it in major ways like they did with feudal elective. Enatic clans would be the same succession system but with women instead of men.
You need to take in the context of the post that those are written in. The post is about changes to feudal elective and the introduction of the other new elective systems, so when they were asking about if there were changes to MR's they were asking iabout the way to succession system itself works.

[kaiyl_kariashi]

You can't form a MR with enatic gender law, can't pick Enatic gender law as a reform if you are already a republic, and it continues to completely ignore both enatic and full womens rights if you get them after the fact.

[Varainger]

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

Originally posted by Varainger:

Err....? If MR succession hasn't been changed, then that' a no for enatic , what's so hard to understand about this ?

When they were talking about changes to MR's they meant changes to the way it works, changing it in major ways like they did with feudal elective. Enatic clans would be the same succession system but with women instead of men.
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...and enatic or just women inheriting would be a major change of the succession system.
It's you who seems to misunderstand the context.
I also don't see why you talk anbout 'clans'. This is about MRs, not about nomads.

Whatever, this seems to lead nowhere...

[sudokek]

To the person who asked whom plays ironman, I play it exclusively :)

[Mr_Faorry]

Originally posted by Varainger:

...and enatic or just women inheriting would be a major change of the succession system.
It's you who seems to misunderstand the context.
I also don't see why you talk anbout 'clans'. This is about MRs, not about nomads.

Whatever, this seems to lead nowhere...

Enatic clans is the name of the doctrine...
Also no, women inheriting instead of men isn't a major change, the succession system would still work the exact same way except female exclusive instead of male exclusive, the structure and way it does things would still be the exact same.


Also I found someone who actually had a look in the code and found that it is possible for a MR to run enatic clans, it's just impossible to create MR's as female which you will be with enatic clans.

Looking at the code, Paradox altered the gender succession laws so having the Equality Doctrine overrides the block on Merchant Republics for Absolute Cognatic and the Enatic Clans Doctrine locks you to Enatic or Enatic-Cognatic succession, so while you can't form a Merchant Republic as a female tribal ruler, you can play a female-led Merchant Republic. It just requires you to have a male character reform the religion and found the republic first.

I'm not sure if this was an oversight or not, but it does seem odd.

[♚ Akko II]

Enatic MRs are possible. Reform your religion as Enatic clans and then before you die, create a MR.
However, they work kinda funky. The reason is, MR disallows matrilineal marriage except for absolute cognatic laws. However, as Enatic clans you can never reach absolute cognatic, so you're stuck forever with patrilineal marriages. That means you will never be able to inherit lands through marriage and you will have to rely on consortage for dynastic children. Since you can only have 8 alive children before your fertility drops, sometimes you're going to have to resort to tyranny. 10/10 recommended to go Enatic-cognatic too just to be safe.

Also important to remember that while enatic clans are incompatible with Polygamy, they are not incompatible with Dawnbreakers (Zun) and Eternal riders (Tengri) that include Polygamy. Do NOT pick those! I picked Eternal riders for fun in one of the playthroughs. And it went badly. Polygamy disables consortage. So now the only way to produce heirs was through legitimizing children requiring me to be unmarried. And unmarried and pregnant... That's some hit to your piety. It is still manageable, but more frustrating than it needs to be. If you intend to have some challenge though, feel free to do it. But if you do, pick Autonomous religion. Being or having a religious head makes things unnecessarily complicated.