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HanZ Solo 2014 年 8 月 1 日 上午 5:02
Zemalf´s XCOM Let´s plays
Found his Videos and im very impressed about his amazing walkthrough.
I wonder about two things.
First : Hey say he play the games blind (EU/CL/I and EW/I/I) but get no achievements through the whole game.
Second : He loose the EU/Classic game but finished EU on impossible.How does that work?

Yesterday was my 240 try on EU/I/I(without EW).Most of my give ups are in the first month because of too harrd narrow maps or injured squaddies in key-missions.
I dont give up to finish this game on I/I but wonder about others they got only few problems to finish the game on this difficulty.
Was this game easier on early versions?My Aliens shoot me right away out in full cover with crits.Mutons are the best exemple.
最后由 HanZ Solo 编辑于; 2014 年 8 月 1 日 上午 5:02
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nightworg 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 2:44 
引用自 CasaNostra
引用自 Ratlegion
And I'm not disputing that. I'm questioning how we can attack someone in the community that hasn't shown a propensity for cheating for doing so. If it were really that easy, it would have been nothing for numerous other players to do it. Like I said, he's presented his losses before, so that adds further weight to his honesty for me.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say that Nostra was merely jealous, but that would be similarly jumping to conclusions.

I knew my answer would lead to this... don't touch the idols, thay say. Well, you know, playing XCOM and *recording* XCOM when you play is not the same thing.

I did play EW I/I myself, thank you. And I did record my LP. Only lost one guy and 4 countries in the process - and I'm quite proud of it.

Now tell me: how many chances have you got, even if not recording, to have everything coming right on time, every mission giving you the same lucky shots, every opportunity for you to get what you want in this game ?

Very few.

So you start another game, or just reload.

But we're talking about recorded LP there. You only have ONE chance, only. Because it is sooo much time consuming to record and post work and publish.

So tell me - what are the odds for your *very first* Enemy Within I/I LP to run 100% perfect ?

None.

Unless you use some tricks.

And those... we're many to know them.

Ya right. So basically everyone who are doing better than you is cheaters and not to be trusted. That is and interesting point of view. You have way to high thought of you own ability as a player.
Have a nice day Mr xcom king.
Falentir 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 2:57 
引用自 nightworg

Ya right. So basically everyone who are doing better than you is cheaters and not to be trusted. That is and interesting point of view. You have way to high thought of you own ability as a player.
Have a nice day Mr xcom king.

oh no. Sarinn, Marbozir, Christopher Odd, Beaglerush and many others are *far* better than me. Now please explain to me why those guys never had this perfect run on EW I/I.

Because it's plain impossible while recording *for the first time*. Maybe yes you can have it if you record and record again and again until you have this famous medium ufo / council mission / 5 engineers with no loss at the first place. I did record some episodes of 4 LPs myself before publishing the 5th one. And none of them was perfect - and never intended to be.

I don't really understand why we cannot express a personal opinion based on a personal experience and still waiting to face some real arguments... but personal attacks.
最后由 Falentir 编辑于; 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 2:58
nightworg 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 3:10 
引用自 CasaNostra
引用自 nightworg

Ya right. So basically everyone who are doing better than you is cheaters and not to be trusted. That is and interesting point of view. You have way to high thought of you own ability as a player.
Have a nice day Mr xcom king.

oh no. Sarinn, Marbozir, Christopher Odd, Beaglerush and many others are *far* better than me. Now please explain to me why those guys never had this perfect run on EW I/I.

Because it's plain impossible while recording *for the first time*. Maybe yes you can have it if you record and record again and again until you have this famous medium ufo / council mission / 5 engineers with no loss at the first place. I did record some episodes of 4 LPs myself before publishing the 5th one. And none of them was perfect - and never intended to be.

I don't really understand why we cannot express a personal opinion based on a personal experience without having to face some real arguments...

You can have your opinion, but you are flat out accusing a player you don't know very well for cheating in a lets play in a public forum. I personally don't care about you trusting him or not, but that is crossing the line for what i think is decent behavior. You can tell it to him if you feel the need to voice your opinion.
最后由 nightworg 编辑于; 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 3:12
Falentir 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 3:19 
引用自 nightworg
You can have your opinion, but you are flat out accusing a player you don't know very well for cheating in a lets play in a public forum. I personally don't care about you trusting him or not, but that is crossing the line for what i think decent behavior. You can tell it to him if you feel the need to voice you opinion.

I agree with you, but public forum means public opinions, and if you're only allowed to talk about people you know, you'd better ask to close this thread. I express my feelings on what I consider to be facts, not a mere subjective point of view. And since those videos are public, I consider legitimate to vote for or against.

Now, I was also replying to the (pertinent) interrogations of the OP here, and well, if we all must have the same opinions on everything....
最后由 Falentir 编辑于; 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 3:20
damesh2 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 4:18 
Actually, if you want to cheat on I/I lets play you can, especially since I didn't know you played off-line and then posted it. First you can just keep restarting a game until you get good aim on at least three of four soldiers. Next, you just make a copy of the save game and rename it. If it doesn't work, you copy your renamed copy and then rename one back to the original name and give it another go. Time consuming, I suppose it could be since I've never bothered, but it can be done.

So, it's not impossible to cheat on a lets play game. I'm not accusing anyone, but don't pretend it can't be done.
nightworg 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 5:03 
引用自 CasaNostra
引用自 nightworg
You can have your opinion, but you are flat out accusing a player you don't know very well for cheating in a lets play in a public forum. I personally don't care about you trusting him or not, but that is crossing the line for what i think decent behavior. You can tell it to him if you feel the need to voice you opinion.

I agree with you, but public forum means public opinions, and if you're only allowed to talk about people you know, you'd better ask to close this thread. I express my feelings on what I consider to be facts, not a mere subjective point of view. And since those videos are public, I consider legitimate to vote for or against.

Now, I was also replying to the (pertinent) interrogations of the OP here, and well, if we all must have the same opinions on everything....

You don't even try to break his game down to provide some facts that could explain why he was having a smoother run than most.

You start jumping to conclusions and that is cheap and really bad.

1) Zemalf have already completed the game one time at EU with I/I. So he already know the basic of the game.

2) In Zemalf first episode of EW, he tells that he have played the game a bit before the "lets play" so this is not a completely blind lets play.

3) His squads starting states. Zemalf is playing the game with "Not Created Equally" and "Hidden Potential". His soldiers aim is 75, 75, 60, 70, 65, 80, 80, 65, 80, 75, 80, 55. That is some insanely good starting states. That give him a huge advantages in every battle to come.

Those facts combined with good strategy as a player, should be more that enough to explain why he was doing good in his EW "lets play"

最后由 nightworg 编辑于; 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 5:05
Narrowmind 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 5:29 
引用自 damesh2
Actually, if you want to cheat on I/I lets play you can, especially since I didn't know you played off-line and then posted it. First you can just keep restarting a game until you get good aim on at least three of four soldiers. Next, you just make a copy of the save game and rename it. If it doesn't work, you copy your renamed copy and then rename one back to the original name and give it another go. Time consuming, I suppose it could be since I've never bothered, but it can be done.

So, it's not impossible to cheat on a lets play game. I'm not accusing anyone, but don't pretend it can't be done.

No one said it couldn't be done. What WAS said was, how do you keep all nations from leaving by cheating on impossible ironman? I see you skirted around the issue. You say don't pretend that cheating can't be done. No one has done that. On the flip side, please don't pretend you've answered the question, because you haven't.
Temper 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 6:27 
Just to answer the question on how to cheat the global panic system and UFO,council mission types etc etc etc (Geosphere Rng).

Simply make incremental save copies of the ironman game (best done a day before each council report).Name them by their campaign date,you can pick and choose what campaign state to reload at by renaming the copied save file back to the active save file name (eg. save1) and then overwrite the exsisting active save with the one you want.

My personal opinion of wether Zemalf cheated in any way shape or form is irrelevant.I enjoy his LPs of games I play immensely as he has a relaxing LP style.I will admit that I have always been very jelly of the guys luck in practically every LP he has done,but I can't fault a player for good luck.

Myself have had three flawless playthroughs on standard I/I no second wave (one on Twitch live),sometimes it happens,most times it dosn't.


=)

最后由 Temper 编辑于; 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 10:40
Narrowmind 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 6:55 
Then I guess he cheated. I'll never watch one of his cheating videos ever again!
Aviticus Dragon 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 7:45 
Most of Zemalfs LP's start before a mission so he's basically doing what Temper said. He saves his ironman save before the start of the recording and if he screws up, he just reloads the back up and starts the recording over again. I bet he's done it quite a few times to get that perfect mission complete. Mission done? Does other things in the base, then saves. I bet you don't see him doing two missions at once, that's really what you want to look out for.

If he's doing two missions in one video, then he most likely isn't doing what I described above, since that'd be way too much work to try and get through two solid missions without losing anyone.
最后由 Aviticus Dragon 编辑于; 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 7:46
Temper 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 10:51 
引用自 Aviticus Dragon
Most of Zemalfs LP's start before a mission so he's basically doing what Temper said. He saves his ironman save before the start of the recording and if he screws up, he just reloads the back up and starts the recording over again. I bet he's done it quite a few times to get that perfect mission complete. Mission done? Does other things in the base, then saves. I bet you don't see him doing two missions at once, that's really what you want to look out for.

If he's doing two missions in one video, then he most likely isn't doing what I described above, since that'd be way too much work to try and get through two solid missions without losing anyone.

To be fair,there is no solid evidence that Zemalf had tampered with save files at all and it was common practice even amongst Twitch xcom ironman streamers to manually save at the end of each month in fear of losing all progress to campaign stopping bugs.

When playing for oneself it's not such a big deal to restart,but when you're also playing to entertain others it's best not to waste their time with an early game over due to bugs that could have been avoided by backing up data.


=P


最后由 Temper 编辑于; 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 10:52
Falentir 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 11:05 
I agree with @Temper there. But I'd rather see a LP's player go through a series of kills and country losses and still manage to beat the game on I/I because this is the way you can learn tactics on this game by watching them play.

And this is why I begin to like the Long War mod a lot - you cannot go through it without failures - and this is exactly what is meant: recover from them. Playing it on I/I requires humility and discipline too, because well this mod is bugged and you'd better know about backup saving technics when the game crashes your single ironman save. And still, all is a question of *fun* there: playing ironman is not a matter of making exploits, but a question of supporting stress and fear for your soldiers, enjoying the nasty surprises, and getting most fun from the game even when bad things happen.

And I do really understand the players that do not like Ironman and prefer to play with save scumming. It's all about personal playstyle.

But the facts here are: 0 kill, 0 country loss, 0 mission failed, in more than 40 videos on EW I/I/. Don't get me wrong, I find this amazing and the guy knows his job and applies veteran technics and clever positionning - but I think that every veteran player does too. Backup plans ? Yeah, we all have some. And we all know that, sometimes, it's just not enough. That's how the game was designed, and that's fair for me - the game does not cheat, and you can loose this 99% shot when you *think* you cannot miss it and, so: you *don't* have a backup plan.

These are my convictions, and I don't pretend to hold the truth. Simply put: nobody can proove right or wrong there, but well, do we always need proofs to have an opinion on something ?
最后由 Falentir 编辑于; 2014 年 8 月 1 日 下午 11:06
Diddy™ 2017 年 8 月 10 日 上午 12:26 
There where mod's used on his playthrough and most probably INI editing to affect the enemies aim and other things if you look closely... The fact that he doesn't even mention he is using a "Remove overwatch delay mod" Pretty much confirms that editing has been done to the base game... Perfect run done legit? Not a chance... But perfect so his channel gains more exposure!

red255 2017 年 8 月 10 日 上午 4:45 
whats the question.

if you want an honest unedited lets play, you watch a stream.

youtube videos that aren't streams are edited. people say things in youtube videos that may or may not be true.

not sure the point of a necro. its a very old necro.

I know beagle did a stream on twitch and a lets play on Youtube.

his 'luck' was much stronger on Youtube.

unfortunatly he eventually got stuck in Player Unknown battlegrounds. which if that interests you, fine. It doesn't interest me.
最后由 red255 编辑于; 2017 年 8 月 10 日 上午 4:46
Paddelboot 2017 年 8 月 10 日 上午 10:08 
引用自 Falentir
don't touch the idols, thay say.

What idols are you refering to, I wonder. I watched said playthrough and was puzzled at his luck in early game. In most civilized countries, there is a legal principle called "innocent until proven guilty". I guess it was established to limit the damage done by baseless accusations.

I just raped a dead body.

最后由 Paddelboot 编辑于; 2017 年 8 月 10 日 上午 10:09
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